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<blockquote data-quote="M_Natas" data-source="post: 9126958" data-attributes="member: 7025918"><p>I played a pure Barbarian once. I didn't really like it. The whole Barbarian class is even more limited than the fighter class, who st least can get a lot of feats.</p><p></p><p>So you ste saying the difference in feel is not about the subclass at all but what you make of it? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I think you mixed up the quote. My Illusion Eizard felt differently than my evoker before and my scribe later because of the subclass abilities. The Evoker with sculpt spell allowed me tonuse AOE Spells that otherwise would have killed Party members. Improved Minir Illusion and mallable Illusion made the Illusion spells work better.</p><p></p><p>The Wiz/Bard on the other hand could only work with the Bladsinger subclass or it would have no synergy at all.</p><p></p><p>But she is different. As the order of the scribe, she actually has a reason to collect spells that she other wouldn't have in her spellbook for the Order of the Scribe features (like exchange spell damage types and use the spells in the book as a meat shield). Like my other Wizards didn't use spell scrolls or copied spells in their spellbook at all, while my order of the scribe Wizard does that all the time.</p><p>Could I have interchanged the subclasses?</p><p>Not really.</p><p>Mt Wiz/Barbarian only works with the Bladsinger. It needs the bladesong feature.</p><p>My Illusionist could have been replaced with another subclass, but she would have been worse and couldn't do the Illusion tricks she did do. So she couldn't perform, distract and so on. The difference I would categorise as equal to a life cleric and other clerics. All can heal, the Life cleric can do it especially well. The same is the Illusion class. All Wizards can cast Illusions, but only the Illusion wizard can do it very well.</p><p>The same with the evoker. Without her sculpt spell features, she couldn't be a very effective battle mage. Most of the time, other Wizard subclasses wouldn't have been able to use AOE Spells at all.</p><p></p><p>With my current wizard character with another subclass, I either couldn't use a lot of AOE Spells or would have burned down parts of the city. Casting a ritual as an action once is also nice and ma kfest mind gives me options to use touch spells that would otherwise be not advisable. And it is like a nice scouting tool.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with the Life cleric is, that healing is not very important in the game, that you need to dedicated a whole subclass of healing to the healing character <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="M_Natas, post: 9126958, member: 7025918"] I played a pure Barbarian once. I didn't really like it. The whole Barbarian class is even more limited than the fighter class, who st least can get a lot of feats. So you ste saying the difference in feel is not about the subclass at all but what you make of it? ;) I think you mixed up the quote. My Illusion Eizard felt differently than my evoker before and my scribe later because of the subclass abilities. The Evoker with sculpt spell allowed me tonuse AOE Spells that otherwise would have killed Party members. Improved Minir Illusion and mallable Illusion made the Illusion spells work better. The Wiz/Bard on the other hand could only work with the Bladsinger subclass or it would have no synergy at all. But she is different. As the order of the scribe, she actually has a reason to collect spells that she other wouldn't have in her spellbook for the Order of the Scribe features (like exchange spell damage types and use the spells in the book as a meat shield). Like my other Wizards didn't use spell scrolls or copied spells in their spellbook at all, while my order of the scribe Wizard does that all the time. Could I have interchanged the subclasses? Not really. Mt Wiz/Barbarian only works with the Bladsinger. It needs the bladesong feature. My Illusionist could have been replaced with another subclass, but she would have been worse and couldn't do the Illusion tricks she did do. So she couldn't perform, distract and so on. The difference I would categorise as equal to a life cleric and other clerics. All can heal, the Life cleric can do it especially well. The same is the Illusion class. All Wizards can cast Illusions, but only the Illusion wizard can do it very well. The same with the evoker. Without her sculpt spell features, she couldn't be a very effective battle mage. Most of the time, other Wizard subclasses wouldn't have been able to use AOE Spells at all. With my current wizard character with another subclass, I either couldn't use a lot of AOE Spells or would have burned down parts of the city. Casting a ritual as an action once is also nice and ma kfest mind gives me options to use touch spells that would otherwise be not advisable. And it is like a nice scouting tool. The problem with the Life cleric is, that healing is not very important in the game, that you need to dedicated a whole subclass of healing to the healing character :). [/QUOTE]
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