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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9138551" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Which just proves my point as they ALL have the sailor background, or would if they were PCs. NPCs have backgrounds built into who they are.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite12" alt="o_O" title="Er... what? o_O" loading="lazy" data-shortname="o_O" /></p><p></p><p>Yes they do. It's built into them as <strong>sailor </strong>wizards.</p><p></p><p>You cannot be an expert in doing something that you cannot do. Arcana =/= spellcasting. There is no spellcasting skill, so to be an expert at spell casting you have to be able to cast spells.</p><p></p><p>Yep. You are just proving my point. You are an expert at those things. They are not. They are experts at racecar <strong>driving</strong>, you are not. Same with firearms and those who are expert marksmen.</p><p></p><p>Spell casting is the act of casting spell. Just as shooting is the act of firing a gun and racecar driving is the act of driving a racecar. Being an expert at the THEORY behind spell casting is arcana skill. Being an expert at spell casting is casting spells.</p><p></p><p>You are conflating skills now. One does not equal the other.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite12" alt="o_O" title="Er... what? o_O" loading="lazy" data-shortname="o_O" /></p><p></p><p>No. You don't get to bully a player out of their theme by picking up a bigger stick and then insisting you are right.</p><p></p><p>And this is also wrong. This is a<strong> role</strong>playing game. The role does not simply become yours just because you have a bigger stick. In any case, in a roleplaying game, all the PCs have to talk, not just the one with the highest bonus. When the king summons you to discuss what your party has seen, he is going to be highly insulted if everyone else refuses to talk to him just so that you can use your +12.</p><p></p><p>This is not RAW by the way. RAW does not allow only one player to roll for a PC to know something. There's zero reason for the wizard to defer to you on those things. He gets to know things, too.</p><p></p><p>You forgot the "not" at the end of the last sentence. Being a master of the arcane is more than just the arcana skill.</p><p></p><p>And basically, all you are proving with all of these arguments is that WotC bungled in a huge way by removing "trained" as a requirement for certain skills. I corrected their blunder a long time ago.</p><p></p><p>Exactly. The wizard doesn't get all the other abilities that make the fighter the master at it. Rolling well doesn't make the wizard better at combat.</p><p></p><p>Again, this is not RAW. RAW anyone and everyone can check.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you are trying to show here? That you can make a PC with a high skill bonus? Sure. That doesn't make the skill in theme with the class, though. High bonus =/= theme.</p><p></p><p>Okay. So what. Yes you can replace it with another skill. That does not automatically make the replacement in theme with the background. </p><p></p><p>False. Perhaps you need to look up what a theme is. You have literally just said that if I make a wizard with the theme, "Fire wizard who only casts fire spells," it's in theme to choose and cast ice storm because by RAW I can still pick it. Ice is now in the fire theme!!! </p><p></p><p>Just because you can pick something, does not make it meet a particular theme.</p><p></p><p>No. That's false. There's nothing in that rule that says that it meets the theme of the background. Not one word. According to RAW you can pick another skill. Nothing more and nothing less. That doesn't cause it to meet the theme of the background.</p><p></p><p>There's no theme with that race. half-elf is not a theme. The skills chosen are not a part of a theme. I refer you back to all of my posts where I very deliberately don't claim that race is part of any theme. I give class and background <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9138551, member: 23751"] Which just proves my point as they ALL have the sailor background, or would if they were PCs. NPCs have backgrounds built into who they are. o_O Yes they do. It's built into them as [B]sailor [/B]wizards. You cannot be an expert in doing something that you cannot do. Arcana =/= spellcasting. There is no spellcasting skill, so to be an expert at spell casting you have to be able to cast spells. Yep. You are just proving my point. You are an expert at those things. They are not. They are experts at racecar [B]driving[/B], you are not. Same with firearms and those who are expert marksmen. Spell casting is the act of casting spell. Just as shooting is the act of firing a gun and racecar driving is the act of driving a racecar. Being an expert at the THEORY behind spell casting is arcana skill. Being an expert at spell casting is casting spells. You are conflating skills now. One does not equal the other. o_O No. You don't get to bully a player out of their theme by picking up a bigger stick and then insisting you are right. And this is also wrong. This is a[B] role[/B]playing game. The role does not simply become yours just because you have a bigger stick. In any case, in a roleplaying game, all the PCs have to talk, not just the one with the highest bonus. When the king summons you to discuss what your party has seen, he is going to be highly insulted if everyone else refuses to talk to him just so that you can use your +12. This is not RAW by the way. RAW does not allow only one player to roll for a PC to know something. There's zero reason for the wizard to defer to you on those things. He gets to know things, too. You forgot the "not" at the end of the last sentence. Being a master of the arcane is more than just the arcana skill. And basically, all you are proving with all of these arguments is that WotC bungled in a huge way by removing "trained" as a requirement for certain skills. I corrected their blunder a long time ago. Exactly. The wizard doesn't get all the other abilities that make the fighter the master at it. Rolling well doesn't make the wizard better at combat. Again, this is not RAW. RAW anyone and everyone can check. I'm not sure what you are trying to show here? That you can make a PC with a high skill bonus? Sure. That doesn't make the skill in theme with the class, though. High bonus =/= theme. Okay. So what. Yes you can replace it with another skill. That does not automatically make the replacement in theme with the background. False. Perhaps you need to look up what a theme is. You have literally just said that if I make a wizard with the theme, "Fire wizard who only casts fire spells," it's in theme to choose and cast ice storm because by RAW I can still pick it. Ice is now in the fire theme!!! Just because you can pick something, does not make it meet a particular theme. No. That's false. There's nothing in that rule that says that it meets the theme of the background. Not one word. According to RAW you can pick another skill. Nothing more and nothing less. That doesn't cause it to meet the theme of the background. There's no theme with that race. half-elf is not a theme. The skills chosen are not a part of a theme. I refer you back to all of my posts where I very deliberately don't claim that race is part of any theme. I give class and background ;) [/QUOTE]
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