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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9138674" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>I have as much "right" to be that guy as the other character. Why is he wasting his time and doubling up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But if my theme is awesome Arcana (on a Battlemaster chassis). That is my theme, he needs to find his own theme and if he decides to have the same theme as me, but does not execute it as well, then he can't blame me for stepping on him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>High numbers are the mechanical execution of the theme in this case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No you don't. A lot of players ONLY ride the bench and never or barely ever play, and while I am not advocating that in d&d, the premise is the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It depends, but you have the classes mixed up here. The Paladin is the one with a +3 who wants to go, while the Rogue/Bard has a +12. I guess the Wizard has a +2 if you say.</p><p></p><p>Moreover though I would probably try to pass the Rogue off as a Wizard getting the best of both worlds, as the Wizarrd is not likely wearing a sign that says "I am a Wizard" and probably has nothing specific distinguishing him as a Wizard for an audience with the king. It could backfire of course, if the King asks for a display of magic, but on the other hand it could also be to my benefit, getting both the +12 and the benefit of my Rogue being a "Wizard" as far as the king is concerned.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are disregarding the actual rules and the math.</p><p></p><p>First off peak damage among Wizards at 1st level using weapons they are proficient in would be 1d8 +4 (staff versatile), not 1d6 or 1d4, but why would they restrict themselves to weapons they are proficient in, when as you note the +2 <em>"is not going to be noticable in combat".</em></p><p></p><p>RAW there are no rules that restrict Wizards to d4, d6 or d8 weapons. ANY Wizard can use ANY weapon and at 1st level the difference in ability score covers the loss of proficiency bonus on the attack roll. A 1st level Wizard can use a Greatsword (without proficiency) and with an 18 strength she has the exact same +4 attack bonus as a fighter using the same Greatsword with a 14 strength and proficiency.</p><p></p><p>A fighter with a 14 strength is doing 2d6+2 and rerolling 1s and 2s and is doing on average 10.4 damage per hit. A Wizard with an 18 strength wielding the exact same Greatsword Gandalf style is doing 2d6+4 or 11 damage per hit, which is more damage!</p><p></p><p>This comparison holds true regardless of which weapons or fighting styles you pick. Give a wizard an 18 and a fighter a 14 in the same ability and the Wizard will keep up with or outrun the fighter at level 1.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not extra to hit, it is extra to damage with the exact same to hit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Less damage actually as shown above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can't be a bladesinger at 1st level, but the shield spell covers a lot of the ground regarding durability. I think it is fair to say with 4 hps more (6 per day if you consider short rests) the fighter's better ability to take a hit is not very relevant.</p><p></p><p>And note this is a Wizard without proficiency in any additional weapons. Give her a good race and she would outrun the lower strength fighter by quite a bit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it wouldn't and more specifically to your point there are actually religions which advocate either eating feces or searching through feces for signs from the lord.</p><p></p><p>This is the whole premise! You are dismissing the idea that poop can be thematically connected to a sermon out of hand when it very easily could be and in fact IS in the very example you cite.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The second definition is not relevant to D&D becuase it is neither art nor literature. It is a game and the character is the "subject" or "topic" as referenced in the first defimnition.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My Battlemaster is themed as a fighter who is an expert of the Arcane.</p><p></p><p>Get it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9138674, member: 7030563"] I have as much "right" to be that guy as the other character. Why is he wasting his time and doubling up. But if my theme is awesome Arcana (on a Battlemaster chassis). That is my theme, he needs to find his own theme and if he decides to have the same theme as me, but does not execute it as well, then he can't blame me for stepping on him. High numbers are the mechanical execution of the theme in this case. No you don't. A lot of players ONLY ride the bench and never or barely ever play, and while I am not advocating that in d&d, the premise is the same. It depends, but you have the classes mixed up here. The Paladin is the one with a +3 who wants to go, while the Rogue/Bard has a +12. I guess the Wizard has a +2 if you say. Moreover though I would probably try to pass the Rogue off as a Wizard getting the best of both worlds, as the Wizarrd is not likely wearing a sign that says "I am a Wizard" and probably has nothing specific distinguishing him as a Wizard for an audience with the king. It could backfire of course, if the King asks for a display of magic, but on the other hand it could also be to my benefit, getting both the +12 and the benefit of my Rogue being a "Wizard" as far as the king is concerned. You are disregarding the actual rules and the math. First off peak damage among Wizards at 1st level using weapons they are proficient in would be 1d8 +4 (staff versatile), not 1d6 or 1d4, but why would they restrict themselves to weapons they are proficient in, when as you note the +2 [I]"is not going to be noticable in combat".[/I] RAW there are no rules that restrict Wizards to d4, d6 or d8 weapons. ANY Wizard can use ANY weapon and at 1st level the difference in ability score covers the loss of proficiency bonus on the attack roll. A 1st level Wizard can use a Greatsword (without proficiency) and with an 18 strength she has the exact same +4 attack bonus as a fighter using the same Greatsword with a 14 strength and proficiency. A fighter with a 14 strength is doing 2d6+2 and rerolling 1s and 2s and is doing on average 10.4 damage per hit. A Wizard with an 18 strength wielding the exact same Greatsword Gandalf style is doing 2d6+4 or 11 damage per hit, which is more damage! This comparison holds true regardless of which weapons or fighting styles you pick. Give a wizard an 18 and a fighter a 14 in the same ability and the Wizard will keep up with or outrun the fighter at level 1. It is not extra to hit, it is extra to damage with the exact same to hit. Less damage actually as shown above. You can't be a bladesinger at 1st level, but the shield spell covers a lot of the ground regarding durability. I think it is fair to say with 4 hps more (6 per day if you consider short rests) the fighter's better ability to take a hit is not very relevant. And note this is a Wizard without proficiency in any additional weapons. Give her a good race and she would outrun the lower strength fighter by quite a bit. No it wouldn't and more specifically to your point there are actually religions which advocate either eating feces or searching through feces for signs from the lord. This is the whole premise! You are dismissing the idea that poop can be thematically connected to a sermon out of hand when it very easily could be and in fact IS in the very example you cite. The second definition is not relevant to D&D becuase it is neither art nor literature. It is a game and the character is the "subject" or "topic" as referenced in the first defimnition. My Battlemaster is themed as a fighter who is an expert of the Arcane. Get it? [/QUOTE]
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