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<blockquote data-quote="greg kaye" data-source="post: 9054462" data-attributes="member: 7030543"><p>And, even if you can see down in a hole, mold earth only lets you, at best, manage loose material to a 5ft depth as per "If you target an area of <strong>loose earth</strong>, you can instantaneously <strong>excavate </strong>it, <strong>move </strong>it <strong>along the ground</strong>, and <strong>deposit </strong>it up to 5 feet away."</p><p>I'd say that if you had "instantaneously" moved loose earth 5 feet vertically up a shaft, it would then, instantaneously, fall 5 ft back down.</p><p></p><p>An interpretation of excavate can potentially lead to a view that the movable, loose earth should be surrounded by other (loose) earth.</p><p></p><p>for instance 1</p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">could be moved</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>1</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p>The spell states that, "you can have [no more than] two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time" and I'd interpret that, once you've excavated it and move it along the ground, when you deposit it, it wouldn't automatically collapse and so as to mostly fall back down the hole. I'd perhaps charitably interpret that keeping the effect active would somehow keep the material together and perhaps ready for you to move it again:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>1</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">and even again and again and again and again</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ </span><strong>1</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">then, perhaps you could turn your attention to the ground around the hole that had been left and perhaps this hole, if it is considered to be part of a previous instantaneous effect, hasn't collapsed all around.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Other material might then be moved forward.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 _ <strong>2</strong> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">And again.... to any extent considered relevant.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"><strong>9 8 7 6 5 4 3</strong> 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">At any stage thereafter a new excavation and move could commence. Perhaps pile one would have collapsed but maybe pile two could overlay it from the side </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>2</strong> 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">9 8 7 6 5 4 3 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">after a while you could get to something like this:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ <strong>9 8 7 6 5 4 3</strong> 2 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"><strong>h g f e d c b a</strong> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">further material in some way could then be placed on top.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Maybe directly with material like 9;</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>9</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"> 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Maybe with something like 7;</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>7</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ 9 8 _ 6 5 4 3 2 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">or maybe with something from further back like x;</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>x</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">_ _ _ _ _ 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'">However it might work, in one way or another, magically moved loose earth might mount up.</span></p><p>But, all the same, it might be easier if loose earth could just be moved down a slope and along:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 <span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">to</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">8 7 6 5 4 3 2 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <strong>1</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 <span style="font-family: 'courier new'">0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greg kaye, post: 9054462, member: 7030543"] And, even if you can see down in a hole, mold earth only lets you, at best, manage loose material to a 5ft depth as per "If you target an area of [B]loose earth[/B], you can instantaneously [B]excavate [/B]it, [B]move [/B]it [B]along the ground[/B], and [B]deposit [/B]it up to 5 feet away." I'd say that if you had "instantaneously" moved loose earth 5 feet vertically up a shaft, it would then, instantaneously, fall 5 ft back down. An interpretation of excavate can potentially lead to a view that the movable, loose earth should be surrounded by other (loose) earth. for instance 1 [FONT=courier new]8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]could be moved[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]1[/B] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] The spell states that, "you can have [no more than] two of its non-instantaneous effects active at a time" and I'd interpret that, once you've excavated it and move it along the ground, when you deposit it, it wouldn't automatically collapse and so as to mostly fall back down the hole. I'd perhaps charitably interpret that keeping the effect active would somehow keep the material together and perhaps ready for you to move it again: [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]1[/B] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]and even again and again and again and again[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ [/FONT][B]1[/B] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]then, perhaps you could turn your attention to the ground around the hole that had been left and perhaps this hole, if it is considered to be part of a previous instantaneous effect, hasn't collapsed all around. Other material might then be moved forward.[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1 8 7 6 5 4 3 _ [B]2[/B] 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]And again.... to any extent considered relevant.[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1 [B]9 8 7 6 5 4 3[/B] 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]At any stage thereafter a new excavation and move could commence. Perhaps pile one would have collapsed but maybe pile two could overlay it from the side [/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]2[/B] 1 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 _ 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]after a while you could get to something like this:[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ [B]9 8 7 6 5 4 3[/B] 2 1 [B]h g f e d c b a[/B] 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]further material in some way could then be placed on top. Maybe directly with material like 9;[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]9[/B] 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Maybe with something like 7;[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]7[/B] _ _ _ _ _ 9 8 _ 6 5 4 3 2 1 h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]or maybe with something from further back like x;[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]x[/B] _ _ _ _ _ 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 h g f e d c b a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] [FONT=arial]However it might work, in one way or another, magically moved loose earth might mount up.[/FONT] But, all the same, it might be easier if loose earth could just be moved down a slope and along: [FONT=courier new]8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 [FONT=courier new]0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT] to 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [B]1[/B] 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 [FONT=courier new]0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0[/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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