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<blockquote data-quote="Jay Verkuilen" data-source="post: 7762859" data-attributes="member: 6873517"><p>I think Moorcock makes some important points but you're right, a lot of it is is "I'm the new guy in this world... get out, old man!" </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a deeply theological book. I know I puzzled for a long time on the "gift" of mortality given to humanity and then one day said to myself "well it's pretty simple, really, when humans die they go to Eru faster. Elves need to wait until the end of the world." </p><p></p><p>But you're right, Tolkien pays almost no attention to a number of topics, especially in LotR. For as much as people hail his world building, there are parts of his world that make little or no sense or are simply undeveloped. </p><p></p><p>Tolkien is a very complicated writer in many ways. For example, the tale of Luthien and Beren is, in terms of gender relations, downright progressive, especially for his time. <a href="https://www.tor.com/2016/09/14/luthien-tolkiens-badass-elf-princess/" target="_blank">Luthien</a> isn't the passive princess to be saved and she chooses her own fate, very much against her father's wishes. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, it's certainly been accused of being such.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Got it. I've not read Graham Greene so I can't say. </p><p></p><p>HPL is nigh-unreadable to me now. I remember when I was a teenager really enjoying it. I can read past some of the racism as being a product of the time, but his is excessive in many spots and, even if it wasn't, the writing is... bad. JRRT's writing isn't all that great, either. There are spots where it's downright rough and he unnecessarily breaks the fourth wall or slips into lecturing, for instance, but he has important and relevant things to say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jay Verkuilen, post: 7762859, member: 6873517"] I think Moorcock makes some important points but you're right, a lot of it is is "I'm the new guy in this world... get out, old man!" It's a deeply theological book. I know I puzzled for a long time on the "gift" of mortality given to humanity and then one day said to myself "well it's pretty simple, really, when humans die they go to Eru faster. Elves need to wait until the end of the world." But you're right, Tolkien pays almost no attention to a number of topics, especially in LotR. For as much as people hail his world building, there are parts of his world that make little or no sense or are simply undeveloped. Tolkien is a very complicated writer in many ways. For example, the tale of Luthien and Beren is, in terms of gender relations, downright progressive, especially for his time. [URL="https://www.tor.com/2016/09/14/luthien-tolkiens-badass-elf-princess/"]Luthien[/URL] isn't the passive princess to be saved and she chooses her own fate, very much against her father's wishes. Ah, it's certainly been accused of being such. Got it. I've not read Graham Greene so I can't say. HPL is nigh-unreadable to me now. I remember when I was a teenager really enjoying it. I can read past some of the racism as being a product of the time, but his is excessive in many spots and, even if it wasn't, the writing is... bad. JRRT's writing isn't all that great, either. There are spots where it's downright rough and he unnecessarily breaks the fourth wall or slips into lecturing, for instance, but he has important and relevant things to say. [/QUOTE]
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