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<blockquote data-quote="lewpuls" data-source="post: 8798660" data-attributes="member: 30518"><p>As a big fan of the old <strong>Spelljammer</strong>, I really wanted to like the new 5e version. But it doesn’t fix some of the problems of the old version.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]263888[/ATTACH]</p><h2>What Sets Spelljammer Apart</h2><p>Beth Rimmels <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/spelljammer-adventures-in-space-review.690690" target="_blank">wrote a thorough review of the new <strong>Spelljammer</strong> product</a> ($44.93 including tax, free shipping, from Amazon; list $69.99). This is my perspective on what’s changed.</p><p></p><p>What sets fantasy adventures in outer space apart from other settings? First it is the ships themselves and ship to ship combat, and second it is a new set of monsters designed for “space”, such as the Neogi and the solar dragons. The third book of the set is the monster manual for the setting, and it works fine. The ships are a substantial part of the first book that describes how <strong>Spelljammer</strong> works (though its title is <strong>Astral Adventurer’s Guide</strong>). The other book is an adventure path.</p><h2>Same Setting, New Edition</h2><p>There’s been some discussion lately that Wizards of the Coast may have adopted a strategy of issuing new D&D settings but relying on the DM’s Guild for third-party support thereafter. <strong>Spelljammer </strong>shows signs of this. Moreover, it is only 192 pages despite being three pasteboard hardcover books; much of that is occupied by artwork. Artwork doesn’t do much for a GM, certainly not when the resulting product is too short to adequately describe itself.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps because of the limited space available, the new <strong>Spelljammer</strong> doesn’t dive very deeply into most topics. Instead of greatly improving the setting they have merely given it a brief new paint job. The approach feels a bit like the approach to board games, in which most board games are played up to three times at most, because players have so many other games to choose from. I wonder if this has also become the norm for role-playing game publishers, with the expectation that most customers won’t be playing in the setting for more than a few sessions.</p><h2>Sinking Ships</h2><p>To me, the main interest of <strong>Spelljammer</strong> is the <strong>ships</strong> and ship combat. (Then again, I’ve always been a fan of the Naval aspects of history, including when I wrote my dissertation.). Unfortunately, there’s a considerable lack of detail in how ship combat works. There is no maneuverability rating; as far as I can tell any ship can stop or turn on a dime, move sideways or backwards at full speed. In the adventure, ships always initially appear quite close to one another to limit opportunities for maneuver. The ship determines the tactical speed, not the level of the helmsman (now called the spelljammer).</p><p></p><p>The ship diagrams look very much like the old ones, not a bad thing. Helms are cheap. There is no spell penalty for helming a ship (in the old system, the caster lost all of their spells). <strong>Level</strong> of helmsman doesn't matter for tactical speed or much of anything else.</p><p></p><p>Ship tonnage is no longer specified, just hit points (250-450 generally). That helps avoid some of the bizarre inconsistencies in size between ship diagrams and the official size of ships in the old rules. Ship diagrams are very reminiscent of the old, may even be the same in a few cases, and it is mostly the same ships as in the original. There are still odd allocations of square footage, such as a captain’s cabin much larger than the entire crew quarters for 21 crew. Some diagrams show a location for the helm (an important point in boarding), some don’t.</p><p></p><p>The standard appears to be just one spelljammer (helmsman) on a ship! The ship can move 24/7, but helmsman, who must concentrate as for a spell, is not going to last more than half a day. Why no second or third helmsman?</p><p></p><p>This version feels as though it treats the ships as mere transportation, a way of getting from one place to another. I’m not sure that’s a fair assessment but that’s how it feels to me, the game is not ship oriented even though the ships are the <strong>unique</strong> feature of adventures in outer space.</p><h2>Other Changes</h2><p>The entire second book is a sort of adventure path that takes characters from 5th to 9th level. Unfortunately, the objective is, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?4185-Let-s-Not-Save-The-World-Again#.WTiLhWgrKUk" target="_blank">yet again</a>, to save a world. My impression is that the creators felt that players would only play <strong>Spelljammer</strong> a few times, so they included a big “save the world” adventure sequence so that people could be done with the setting when they finished the sequence. I would instead have preferred some unconnected adventures for lower-level characters who could then look forward to bigger things.</p><p></p><p>It is not all one-sided disappointment. One change that makes sense: instead of “the phlogiston” connecting star systems together, the <strong>Astral Sea</strong> is the connection. Githyanki are present! As if mind flayers and beholders weren’t bad enough.</p><p></p><p>It’s a shame, because Spelljammer is chock full of ideas … and full of inconsistencies. The new edition was an opportunity to streamline the setting by taking the best of what came before. Instead, we got some tantalizing concepts and not enough content to do them justice.</p><p></p><p><strong>Your Turn</strong>: Did you create or borrow rules from other systems to play in your Spelljammer campaign?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lewpuls, post: 8798660, member: 30518"] As a big fan of the old [B]Spelljammer[/B], I really wanted to like the new 5e version. But it doesn’t fix some of the problems of the old version. [CENTER][ATTACH type="full" alt="81SsoYdosTL.jpg"]263888[/ATTACH][/CENTER] [HEADING=1]What Sets Spelljammer Apart[/HEADING] Beth Rimmels [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/spelljammer-adventures-in-space-review.690690']wrote a thorough review of the new [B]Spelljammer[/B] product[/URL] ($44.93 including tax, free shipping, from Amazon; list $69.99). This is my perspective on what’s changed. What sets fantasy adventures in outer space apart from other settings? First it is the ships themselves and ship to ship combat, and second it is a new set of monsters designed for “space”, such as the Neogi and the solar dragons. The third book of the set is the monster manual for the setting, and it works fine. The ships are a substantial part of the first book that describes how [B]Spelljammer[/B] works (though its title is [B]Astral Adventurer’s Guide[/B]). The other book is an adventure path. [HEADING=1]Same Setting, New Edition[/HEADING] There’s been some discussion lately that Wizards of the Coast may have adopted a strategy of issuing new D&D settings but relying on the DM’s Guild for third-party support thereafter. [B]Spelljammer [/B]shows signs of this. Moreover, it is only 192 pages despite being three pasteboard hardcover books; much of that is occupied by artwork. Artwork doesn’t do much for a GM, certainly not when the resulting product is too short to adequately describe itself. Perhaps because of the limited space available, the new [B]Spelljammer[/B] doesn’t dive very deeply into most topics. Instead of greatly improving the setting they have merely given it a brief new paint job. The approach feels a bit like the approach to board games, in which most board games are played up to three times at most, because players have so many other games to choose from. I wonder if this has also become the norm for role-playing game publishers, with the expectation that most customers won’t be playing in the setting for more than a few sessions. [HEADING=1]Sinking Ships[/HEADING] To me, the main interest of [B]Spelljammer[/B] is the [B]ships[/B] and ship combat. (Then again, I’ve always been a fan of the Naval aspects of history, including when I wrote my dissertation.). Unfortunately, there’s a considerable lack of detail in how ship combat works. There is no maneuverability rating; as far as I can tell any ship can stop or turn on a dime, move sideways or backwards at full speed. In the adventure, ships always initially appear quite close to one another to limit opportunities for maneuver. The ship determines the tactical speed, not the level of the helmsman (now called the spelljammer). The ship diagrams look very much like the old ones, not a bad thing. Helms are cheap. There is no spell penalty for helming a ship (in the old system, the caster lost all of their spells). [B]Level[/B] of helmsman doesn't matter for tactical speed or much of anything else. Ship tonnage is no longer specified, just hit points (250-450 generally). That helps avoid some of the bizarre inconsistencies in size between ship diagrams and the official size of ships in the old rules. Ship diagrams are very reminiscent of the old, may even be the same in a few cases, and it is mostly the same ships as in the original. There are still odd allocations of square footage, such as a captain’s cabin much larger than the entire crew quarters for 21 crew. Some diagrams show a location for the helm (an important point in boarding), some don’t. The standard appears to be just one spelljammer (helmsman) on a ship! The ship can move 24/7, but helmsman, who must concentrate as for a spell, is not going to last more than half a day. Why no second or third helmsman? This version feels as though it treats the ships as mere transportation, a way of getting from one place to another. I’m not sure that’s a fair assessment but that’s how it feels to me, the game is not ship oriented even though the ships are the [B]unique[/B] feature of adventures in outer space. [HEADING=1]Other Changes[/HEADING] The entire second book is a sort of adventure path that takes characters from 5th to 9th level. Unfortunately, the objective is, [URL='http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?4185-Let-s-Not-Save-The-World-Again#.WTiLhWgrKUk']yet again[/URL], to save a world. My impression is that the creators felt that players would only play [B]Spelljammer[/B] a few times, so they included a big “save the world” adventure sequence so that people could be done with the setting when they finished the sequence. I would instead have preferred some unconnected adventures for lower-level characters who could then look forward to bigger things. It is not all one-sided disappointment. One change that makes sense: instead of “the phlogiston” connecting star systems together, the [B]Astral Sea[/B] is the connection. Githyanki are present! As if mind flayers and beholders weren’t bad enough. It’s a shame, because Spelljammer is chock full of ideas … and full of inconsistencies. The new edition was an opportunity to streamline the setting by taking the best of what came before. Instead, we got some tantalizing concepts and not enough content to do them justice. [B]Your Turn[/B]: Did you create or borrow rules from other systems to play in your Spelljammer campaign? 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