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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6045804" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>I agree with @<u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6684526" target="_blank">GreyICE</a></u> here. </p><p></p><p>If 1e to 3e is the source material for what a Warlord is, it is certainly possible to give a Warlord flavored Fighter as you demonstrated in the other thread (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-pathfinder/331550-warlord-fighter-option-assassin-rogue-option.html#post6045523" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-pathfinder/331550-warlord-fighter-option-assassin-rogue-option.html#post6045523</a>).</p><p></p><p>If the source material is 4e, then the tactical Warlord's ability to maneuver enemies around the battlefield, and help their friends get in the right position, especially when combined with the various other methods of combat support (even disregarding healing), seems more different to me from the Fighter than the Paladin is from Cleric. I also don't see anything like this Warlord concept in 1e (where I thought fighter was very, very narrow) or 2e, or even in base 3/3.5. And I think the other thread you even copped to your suggestion being elegant and easy to fit into the extant 5e fighter framework when it ignored the more profound battlefield control elements that make the 4e Warlord unique. (I can picture it capturing the inspirational aspect).</p><p></p><p>One of the eye-opening posts I saw on 5e earlier was something along the lines that, yes 1e, 2e, and 3/3.5 all preceded 4e chronologically. But for a player who started with 4e and then was only exposed to the others later, 4e preceded 3/3.5. They would have no reason to give the 3/3.5 tropes any precedence over the 4e ones. I don't think arbitrarily restricting to 4 core classes to be a good reason why those players shouldn't have their recognizable martial leader (from the 1st 4e PHB even) in 5e. [The other (non-psionic) 4e classes don't strike me as being this distinct from the classes in previous editions.] As its own class it could even be easily expanded to also give support for the tactical and inspirational leader type who isn't taking point with the fighters and paladins.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 6045804, member: 6701124"] I agree with @[U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6684526"]GreyICE[/URL][/U] here. If 1e to 3e is the source material for what a Warlord is, it is certainly possible to give a Warlord flavored Fighter as you demonstrated in the other thread ([URL]http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-pathfinder/331550-warlord-fighter-option-assassin-rogue-option.html#post6045523[/URL]). If the source material is 4e, then the tactical Warlord's ability to maneuver enemies around the battlefield, and help their friends get in the right position, especially when combined with the various other methods of combat support (even disregarding healing), seems more different to me from the Fighter than the Paladin is from Cleric. I also don't see anything like this Warlord concept in 1e (where I thought fighter was very, very narrow) or 2e, or even in base 3/3.5. And I think the other thread you even copped to your suggestion being elegant and easy to fit into the extant 5e fighter framework when it ignored the more profound battlefield control elements that make the 4e Warlord unique. (I can picture it capturing the inspirational aspect). One of the eye-opening posts I saw on 5e earlier was something along the lines that, yes 1e, 2e, and 3/3.5 all preceded 4e chronologically. But for a player who started with 4e and then was only exposed to the others later, 4e preceded 3/3.5. They would have no reason to give the 3/3.5 tropes any precedence over the 4e ones. I don't think arbitrarily restricting to 4 core classes to be a good reason why those players shouldn't have their recognizable martial leader (from the 1st 4e PHB even) in 5e. [The other (non-psionic) 4e classes don't strike me as being this distinct from the classes in previous editions.] As its own class it could even be easily expanded to also give support for the tactical and inspirational leader type who isn't taking point with the fighters and paladins. [/QUOTE]
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