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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 3950985" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>I have to say I disagree with you. 1E and 3E math were quite different after about 3rd level or so; a 1E and 3E character side by side comparison would have the 3E character outdistancing the stats of a 1E character "by a country mile," as the saying goes. Between the feats, higher ability bonuses, class bonuses, hit points, spell capacities, etc. There was no contest.</p><p></p><p>And Scott is right about the 2E to 3E conversion: In no case was I or any of my regular gaming group able to capture the feel of our 2E characters by converting them with the conversion rules provided. Heck, the multiclass characters alone were several levels higher than their companions!! The stats were skewed; a 15 in AD&D meant nothing often times, but meant a +2 bonus in 3E. Those 15 scores then got shoved up to 16's often when you added the ability bonuses from every 4th level, so that's a +3. In the end, any 2E character I had, I ended up starting from scratch and <strong>converting by eyeballing it</strong>, the same method that James Wyatt recommends for 3E to 4E. It was an <em>illusion of conversion</em> that they realized wasn't necessary this time around. It's all in taking the concept, looking at the new rules, and then just figuring out what abilities give you the same feel as the character you had.</p><p></p><p>In fact, this part will likely be easier than from 2E to 3E previously, because then you were going from "narrow" to "wide" with the range of options, and often felt like in our experience the characters were being stiffed out some of the new stuff if you converted them strictly. In this case, IF they do their job right, then hopefully the first basic rules in 2008 will allow us to convert 90% of our existing characters right out of the gate. The only part that gets me concerned is when we hear playtesters saying stuff like "I took my warmage, and made him a Warlord, but with some wizard abilities", which sounds crazy as heck on the surface. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>In summary, I really don't put much stock in the whole, "THEY WON'T HAVE CONVERSION RULES" argument, and that's the reason why. The math is very different from 2E to 3E, and different from 3 to 4, but likely not as different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 3950985, member: 158"] I have to say I disagree with you. 1E and 3E math were quite different after about 3rd level or so; a 1E and 3E character side by side comparison would have the 3E character outdistancing the stats of a 1E character "by a country mile," as the saying goes. Between the feats, higher ability bonuses, class bonuses, hit points, spell capacities, etc. There was no contest. And Scott is right about the 2E to 3E conversion: In no case was I or any of my regular gaming group able to capture the feel of our 2E characters by converting them with the conversion rules provided. Heck, the multiclass characters alone were several levels higher than their companions!! The stats were skewed; a 15 in AD&D meant nothing often times, but meant a +2 bonus in 3E. Those 15 scores then got shoved up to 16's often when you added the ability bonuses from every 4th level, so that's a +3. In the end, any 2E character I had, I ended up starting from scratch and [B]converting by eyeballing it[/B], the same method that James Wyatt recommends for 3E to 4E. It was an [I]illusion of conversion[/I] that they realized wasn't necessary this time around. It's all in taking the concept, looking at the new rules, and then just figuring out what abilities give you the same feel as the character you had. In fact, this part will likely be easier than from 2E to 3E previously, because then you were going from "narrow" to "wide" with the range of options, and often felt like in our experience the characters were being stiffed out some of the new stuff if you converted them strictly. In this case, IF they do their job right, then hopefully the first basic rules in 2008 will allow us to convert 90% of our existing characters right out of the gate. The only part that gets me concerned is when we hear playtesters saying stuff like "I took my warmage, and made him a Warlord, but with some wizard abilities", which sounds crazy as heck on the surface. :D In summary, I really don't put much stock in the whole, "THEY WON'T HAVE CONVERSION RULES" argument, and that's the reason why. The math is very different from 2E to 3E, and different from 3 to 4, but likely not as different. [/QUOTE]
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