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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 1952110" data-attributes="member: 23619"><p>What? Where'd you come up with this? How are one night stands and/or promiscuity considered non-lawful? How are drinking to excess and partying chaotic? Of course neither description of alignments allow or disallow for this kind of behavior. One night stands may not have been as commonplace in medieval times as they are today, but promiscuity was everywhere. </p><p></p><p>In Feudal Japan, for instance, wives were for making babies, but it was the prostitutes that those with the coin went to for fun. And anyone that knows anything about samurai know how lawful they were! They also drank to excess. I'm not saying that all samurai did that, but it was a common enough occurance. Look at any medieval culture and you'll find that lawful societies, and the leaders and the people that embodied those lawful societies not only did those things but either didn't bother hiding it or even encouraged it. </p><p></p><p>As for partying hard, that was the only way they did it! After Arthur, Lancelot and the others drove the invaders out of Briton, do you think they just "called it a night" and went to bed. Not likely at all! They were probably celebrating for a week or two straight, if not longer! Heh! If I just cleared my country of invaders, you can bet there'd be a celebration until the sun came up and then some! Would that make me any less lawful, honorable, noble, trustworthy, reliable or moral, not a bit! Heck, Arthur even had a promiscuous one night stand with his sister and was still Lawful Good and a paladin. He and the knights of the round table drank as much as they wanted and kept it going as long as they wanted! That didn't make them chaotic. They definitely didn't lose their sense of honor or justice just because they drank and wenched (except maybe Arthur and Lancelot who were busy with Guinevere). </p><p></p><p>If those things are chaotic acts in your game, that's fine for your game, and maybe fine or not so fine for your players. I could see you wanting to discourage that kind of behavior if your game has some young, impressionable players, but to just throw out a blanket statement like that without considering historical cultural or societal mores in comparison to modern cultures and mores is narrow minded. Life was a lot different back then and what we might consider shocking would be a commonplace occurance then and vice versa. If you want to judge something as lawful or chaotic in the context of D&D, look at it with the viewpoint of that era and culture, not with your own attitudes and beliefs that were developed in a different time and place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 1952110, member: 23619"] What? Where'd you come up with this? How are one night stands and/or promiscuity considered non-lawful? How are drinking to excess and partying chaotic? Of course neither description of alignments allow or disallow for this kind of behavior. One night stands may not have been as commonplace in medieval times as they are today, but promiscuity was everywhere. In Feudal Japan, for instance, wives were for making babies, but it was the prostitutes that those with the coin went to for fun. And anyone that knows anything about samurai know how lawful they were! They also drank to excess. I'm not saying that all samurai did that, but it was a common enough occurance. Look at any medieval culture and you'll find that lawful societies, and the leaders and the people that embodied those lawful societies not only did those things but either didn't bother hiding it or even encouraged it. As for partying hard, that was the only way they did it! After Arthur, Lancelot and the others drove the invaders out of Briton, do you think they just "called it a night" and went to bed. Not likely at all! They were probably celebrating for a week or two straight, if not longer! Heh! If I just cleared my country of invaders, you can bet there'd be a celebration until the sun came up and then some! Would that make me any less lawful, honorable, noble, trustworthy, reliable or moral, not a bit! Heck, Arthur even had a promiscuous one night stand with his sister and was still Lawful Good and a paladin. He and the knights of the round table drank as much as they wanted and kept it going as long as they wanted! That didn't make them chaotic. They definitely didn't lose their sense of honor or justice just because they drank and wenched (except maybe Arthur and Lancelot who were busy with Guinevere). If those things are chaotic acts in your game, that's fine for your game, and maybe fine or not so fine for your players. I could see you wanting to discourage that kind of behavior if your game has some young, impressionable players, but to just throw out a blanket statement like that without considering historical cultural or societal mores in comparison to modern cultures and mores is narrow minded. Life was a lot different back then and what we might consider shocking would be a commonplace occurance then and vice versa. If you want to judge something as lawful or chaotic in the context of D&D, look at it with the viewpoint of that era and culture, not with your own attitudes and beliefs that were developed in a different time and place. [/QUOTE]
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