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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="Doctor Shaft" data-source="post: 1952142" data-attributes="member: 25737"><p>Just because "Arthur" did it doesn't make it any more lawful. I think the statement that "wild drinking and one-night stands are chaotic" is a firm argument.</p><p></p><p>Samurai are "generally" lawful. Arthur and his men, though virtuous when they wanted to be, would also occasionally break down and party hard. Just because grandpa did it doesn't make it right, or lawful for that matter in game.</p><p></p><p>Certainly, a paladin may be subject to his cultures behavioral quirks. If partying hard at the end of a war of invaders is common place, then certainly we can say it wouldn't be entirely detestable that the D&D paladin parties hard with the rest.</p><p></p><p>However, a paladin really is a "shining example" of a religious soldier. They are the kind that go beyond the call of morality and ethics than even people like Lancelot do. I argue this because a paladin is given the powers directly from their patron deity... they represent that deity's cause! That is very significant. Forget the character for a minute and think of the deity. What deity in its right mind, if it were both lawful and good and held itself to extremely high standards would choose to allow relaxed or completely desperate characters to represent them? Or, if they decided to use him anyway, like many stories and myths also portray, what penalties or difficulties would impose on a character like Cedric? Would you say a deity, like say for instance the FR god Helm would tolerate a fellow watchman constantly relaxiing his self-control and 'puts the watch on' something else like carnal pleasure? Would he never pay no mind to Sir Cedric and simply continue to give him the powers to heal and protect?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Doctor Shaft, post: 1952142, member: 25737"] Just because "Arthur" did it doesn't make it any more lawful. I think the statement that "wild drinking and one-night stands are chaotic" is a firm argument. Samurai are "generally" lawful. Arthur and his men, though virtuous when they wanted to be, would also occasionally break down and party hard. Just because grandpa did it doesn't make it right, or lawful for that matter in game. Certainly, a paladin may be subject to his cultures behavioral quirks. If partying hard at the end of a war of invaders is common place, then certainly we can say it wouldn't be entirely detestable that the D&D paladin parties hard with the rest. However, a paladin really is a "shining example" of a religious soldier. They are the kind that go beyond the call of morality and ethics than even people like Lancelot do. I argue this because a paladin is given the powers directly from their patron deity... they represent that deity's cause! That is very significant. Forget the character for a minute and think of the deity. What deity in its right mind, if it were both lawful and good and held itself to extremely high standards would choose to allow relaxed or completely desperate characters to represent them? Or, if they decided to use him anyway, like many stories and myths also portray, what penalties or difficulties would impose on a character like Cedric? Would you say a deity, like say for instance the FR god Helm would tolerate a fellow watchman constantly relaxiing his self-control and 'puts the watch on' something else like carnal pleasure? Would he never pay no mind to Sir Cedric and simply continue to give him the powers to heal and protect? [/QUOTE]
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