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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 1955780" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>I had some inkling that this is where you were headed - the "experienced" religionist who knows precisely which are the "core" values of the faith and which are optional "traditions" added on to that core being amused by a fresh-faced zealot who hasn't had the experience yet to tell the difference. However, I'm genuinely curious... if frequenting brothels, swearing, and drinking is not seen as dishonorable, what IS seen as dishonorable? The list in the PHB was, I think, to be an exemplary list, not an exhaustive one... is the entirety of his code only those things specifically called out in the PHB? (i.e., "respect legitimate authority, don't lie, don't cheat, don't use poison, help those in need, punish those who harm or threaten innocents").</p><p></p><p>As an aside, I might note that brothels by their nature might be construed to harm or threaten innocents - most who worked in brothels did not start in brothels as their first choice of careers; most (not all) started out as innocents being exploited and potentially diseased (harmed) by their work, which ill fortune or ill friends often forced them into. If you're desperate to pay the rent, even if you "say" you're willing, is not some coersion and harm therefore involved?</p><p></p><p>I can see the argument that swearing and drinking do not harm or threaten innocents, but I'll be honest - I have a very hard time stomaching the idea that the madame of every brothel in your world does not fall under the "harming or threatening innocents" umbrella (yes, I can imagine a very promiscuous society where it's a prestigious profession and every single prostitute grew up dreaming of becoming a prostitute and the damsels are treated to as many cure disease spells as they wish, but I really doubt that's even the exception to the rule, let alone the norm).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would be very curious to see that diatribe, provided it pointed out was was "inimical to the code." Truly. I want to try to wrap my head around it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 1955780, member: 2013"] I had some inkling that this is where you were headed - the "experienced" religionist who knows precisely which are the "core" values of the faith and which are optional "traditions" added on to that core being amused by a fresh-faced zealot who hasn't had the experience yet to tell the difference. However, I'm genuinely curious... if frequenting brothels, swearing, and drinking is not seen as dishonorable, what IS seen as dishonorable? The list in the PHB was, I think, to be an exemplary list, not an exhaustive one... is the entirety of his code only those things specifically called out in the PHB? (i.e., "respect legitimate authority, don't lie, don't cheat, don't use poison, help those in need, punish those who harm or threaten innocents"). As an aside, I might note that brothels by their nature might be construed to harm or threaten innocents - most who worked in brothels did not start in brothels as their first choice of careers; most (not all) started out as innocents being exploited and potentially diseased (harmed) by their work, which ill fortune or ill friends often forced them into. If you're desperate to pay the rent, even if you "say" you're willing, is not some coersion and harm therefore involved? I can see the argument that swearing and drinking do not harm or threaten innocents, but I'll be honest - I have a very hard time stomaching the idea that the madame of every brothel in your world does not fall under the "harming or threatening innocents" umbrella (yes, I can imagine a very promiscuous society where it's a prestigious profession and every single prostitute grew up dreaming of becoming a prostitute and the damsels are treated to as many cure disease spells as they wish, but I really doubt that's even the exception to the rule, let alone the norm). I would be very curious to see that diatribe, provided it pointed out was was "inimical to the code." Truly. I want to try to wrap my head around it. :) --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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