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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 1956031" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>That pretty much hits the nail on the head.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is one of the core areas where we disagree. I do see the list in the PHB as an exhaustive one, rather than an exemplary one. As soon as one goes beyond the PHB list is that it then becomes a question of personal interpretation of what is "honorable", and raises all sorts of questions, e.g. can a paladin sneak attack someone or use a bow against someone with a sword? One of the reasons I've been mentioning the RAW often is because I am specifically trying not to work beyond it here. Obviously, many other people do so with the paladin as a class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No arguments there, though I wouldn't apply it as a blanket category as much as you are. As long as it is not a case of someone being forced into the the profession, there is some degree of choice. The degree to which it is coercion gets into issues of economics, social class, society, religion, etc. which I think are too expansive for this discussion. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously, if Cedric was associating with and benefiting from a madam who was harming innocents, he'd be fallen before you could say "watch the paladin go poof!" I'm visualizing the madam in this case as not one who is harming innocents, and yes, they do exist. My grandmother is a social worker and she's met more than a few madams who would fall outside that category. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the diatribe was the speech to Magnus. And by inimical to the code, I meant that drinking, swearing and living at a brothel (I actually saw it as a semi-permanent home for him, rather than one he visited when in the mood), which someone like Magnus would see as inimical to the code, whereas Cedric knows they are irrelevant to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 1956031, member: 198"] That pretty much hits the nail on the head. I think this is one of the core areas where we disagree. I do see the list in the PHB as an exhaustive one, rather than an exemplary one. As soon as one goes beyond the PHB list is that it then becomes a question of personal interpretation of what is "honorable", and raises all sorts of questions, e.g. can a paladin sneak attack someone or use a bow against someone with a sword? One of the reasons I've been mentioning the RAW often is because I am specifically trying not to work beyond it here. Obviously, many other people do so with the paladin as a class. No arguments there, though I wouldn't apply it as a blanket category as much as you are. As long as it is not a case of someone being forced into the the profession, there is some degree of choice. The degree to which it is coercion gets into issues of economics, social class, society, religion, etc. which I think are too expansive for this discussion. Obviously, if Cedric was associating with and benefiting from a madam who was harming innocents, he'd be fallen before you could say "watch the paladin go poof!" I'm visualizing the madam in this case as not one who is harming innocents, and yes, they do exist. My grandmother is a social worker and she's met more than a few madams who would fall outside that category. Actually, the diatribe was the speech to Magnus. And by inimical to the code, I meant that drinking, swearing and living at a brothel (I actually saw it as a semi-permanent home for him, rather than one he visited when in the mood), which someone like Magnus would see as inimical to the code, whereas Cedric knows they are irrelevant to it. [/QUOTE]
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