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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1958218" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p>Great character, shilsen. You obviously understand the core components of a paladin, and how they shouldn;t be viewed dogmatically (i.e. sex=evil)</p><p>Tom Cashel and Elder Basilisk have it right also, mostly. (great hearing from people who truly understand the class, BTW)</p><p>Well, I'm not a "DM", but you've (probably) read enough of my posts on paladins that I should be OK to chime in.</p><p></p><p>(Note, I'm only responding to your first post.</p><p>Also, I appreciate Piratecat opening this thread back up. It's nice to see a thread with good discussion not get closed because of people who care more about religion than about the paladin class in a fantasy roleplaying game.)</p><p></p><p>Cedric is very close to being a perfectly-fine paladin in my book.</p><p>There are only a couple problems.</p><p></p><p>a) The sleeping with whores bit.</p><p>It's not a problem that he's womanizing, or that he likes sex- there's nothing in the paladin description that requires him to be chaste. The problem is that he's knowingly hanging around people with no moral code.</p><p>The prostitute-with-a-heart-of-gold cliche notwithstanding, most prostitutes are not good people. They sell themselves, and others if they had the chance, for a living. That is not a group that is worthy of his company.</p><p>Further, he shouldn't have to go to whores if he believes he deserves the company of a woman. He's likely a very charismatic guy, and if he's still alive, he probably has just done good deeds for women. It's highly likely that there would be many a woman (not a whore) that would be willing to reward their knight with a night (IYKWIMAITYD).</p><p>The problem then is what does he do about protection? How does he prevent many offspring from being born with no father present, and likely orphaned (if he believes he'll die one day soon)?</p><p></p><p>b) The drunk bit.</p><p>There's no problem with him casually drinking, IMO - as long as he's still in control, and not reducing his capabilities.</p><p>I just don't get why he's ACTING drunk (as evidenced by him steely-nerved and alert when talking to the young knight).</p><p></p><p>c) The cursing.</p><p>This is straight out.</p><p>By cursing, he is not displaying the reserve and control that is inherent in a paladin. He is not disciplined in speech, and all paladins must be disciplined.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, I don't see why a paladin like Cedric would accept a knight-hood from whatever order you mentioned.</p><p>As I see it, he would not answer to "Sir Cedric", nor would he put any stock in it. If they want to give him a title, he'd view it an internal ceremonial title.</p><p>I have played paladins that do not believe in Paladin Orders before.</p><p>It is NOT required for a paladin to be a member of a group.</p><p></p><p>This Cedric as you described him in the first post seems to me to be an individualistic paladin, who has his head on straight about what it really means to be a paladin. In fact, I've debated for years, advocating a similar approach to what you've taken with Cedric.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 1958218, member: 1194"] Great character, shilsen. You obviously understand the core components of a paladin, and how they shouldn;t be viewed dogmatically (i.e. sex=evil) Tom Cashel and Elder Basilisk have it right also, mostly. (great hearing from people who truly understand the class, BTW) Well, I'm not a "DM", but you've (probably) read enough of my posts on paladins that I should be OK to chime in. (Note, I'm only responding to your first post. Also, I appreciate Piratecat opening this thread back up. It's nice to see a thread with good discussion not get closed because of people who care more about religion than about the paladin class in a fantasy roleplaying game.) Cedric is very close to being a perfectly-fine paladin in my book. There are only a couple problems. a) The sleeping with whores bit. It's not a problem that he's womanizing, or that he likes sex- there's nothing in the paladin description that requires him to be chaste. The problem is that he's knowingly hanging around people with no moral code. The prostitute-with-a-heart-of-gold cliche notwithstanding, most prostitutes are not good people. They sell themselves, and others if they had the chance, for a living. That is not a group that is worthy of his company. Further, he shouldn't have to go to whores if he believes he deserves the company of a woman. He's likely a very charismatic guy, and if he's still alive, he probably has just done good deeds for women. It's highly likely that there would be many a woman (not a whore) that would be willing to reward their knight with a night (IYKWIMAITYD). The problem then is what does he do about protection? How does he prevent many offspring from being born with no father present, and likely orphaned (if he believes he'll die one day soon)? b) The drunk bit. There's no problem with him casually drinking, IMO - as long as he's still in control, and not reducing his capabilities. I just don't get why he's ACTING drunk (as evidenced by him steely-nerved and alert when talking to the young knight). c) The cursing. This is straight out. By cursing, he is not displaying the reserve and control that is inherent in a paladin. He is not disciplined in speech, and all paladins must be disciplined. Lastly, I don't see why a paladin like Cedric would accept a knight-hood from whatever order you mentioned. As I see it, he would not answer to "Sir Cedric", nor would he put any stock in it. If they want to give him a title, he'd view it an internal ceremonial title. I have played paladins that do not believe in Paladin Orders before. It is NOT required for a paladin to be a member of a group. This Cedric as you described him in the first post seems to me to be an individualistic paladin, who has his head on straight about what it really means to be a paladin. In fact, I've debated for years, advocating a similar approach to what you've taken with Cedric. [/QUOTE]
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