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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 1958573" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Now I think you're being a little dogmatic here. Writing off all prostitutes as having no moral code is a bit harsh and unwarranted, IMO. As I've said before and Torm pointed out above, there are many aspects of prostitution. And as long as we're dealing with prostitutes who aren't being enslaved or enslaving others, where's the moral problem? Objectively speaking, there is nothing immoral about selling one's body (it's only if you buy the subjective, culturally-mandated idea that sex is either sacred or wrong in some way, that such a conclusion arises). Heck, from my perspective, the person selling her body to someone with the clear understanding that it's temporary and a job is being a lot more moral than the average "yes-man" in an office who pretends to agree with anything his boss says. People sell themselves everyday and they sell their identities and opinions (which, IMO, make you more than your physical body does). In comparison, a prostitute selling her body seems a lot more honest. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps he just prefers to keep it professional, where there is a clear (lawful?) exchange between him and the woman. Perhaps he thinks that with a prostitute there is less chance of her misunderstanding the exchange. Lots of possibilities (I'm just outlining some random ones here, rather than what I'd definitely use in play). As for protection, in play I'd definitely have Cedric using protection (esp. magical). See - now I have a paladin I can use the BoEF with <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He wasn't acting drunk. Magnus assumed he was, and was surprised to discover he wasn't. It's a perspective error (and not the first) on Magnus' part.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that would depend on the manner of cursing. I know more than a few people who use expletives as part of their everyday speech, and they do so when they are completely in control. It's just a normal part of their vocabulary. I do think that swearing tends to create imprecision in language usage and loses its efficacy when used constantly, but I don't think it shows any less discipline. "To be or not to be" is not objectively more disciplined than "To be or *bleep* not to be". It just scans worse <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd say that all paladins being leaders, or more precisely, <strong>how</strong> they are leaders, is another area where most people make unwarranted assumptions. I don't think all paladins have to be leaders, though I agree they're usually seen that way. As for Cedric, I'd see him as a leader in his actions for the cause, rather than in how he characterizes it to someone like Magnus. I'd also see him a leader in making others see beyond the veneer of paladinhood, beyond the shiny surface and the polished words, to the very core - namely, doing what should be done, simply because it should be done, irrespective of whether one is thanked, or honored, or the odds, or whether one hopes to win. </p><p></p><p>Hmm - I think I have a couple of ideas for a further instalment of the saga of Cedric. Maybe I'll post something later today.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 1958573, member: 198"] Now I think you're being a little dogmatic here. Writing off all prostitutes as having no moral code is a bit harsh and unwarranted, IMO. As I've said before and Torm pointed out above, there are many aspects of prostitution. And as long as we're dealing with prostitutes who aren't being enslaved or enslaving others, where's the moral problem? Objectively speaking, there is nothing immoral about selling one's body (it's only if you buy the subjective, culturally-mandated idea that sex is either sacred or wrong in some way, that such a conclusion arises). Heck, from my perspective, the person selling her body to someone with the clear understanding that it's temporary and a job is being a lot more moral than the average "yes-man" in an office who pretends to agree with anything his boss says. People sell themselves everyday and they sell their identities and opinions (which, IMO, make you more than your physical body does). In comparison, a prostitute selling her body seems a lot more honest. Perhaps he just prefers to keep it professional, where there is a clear (lawful?) exchange between him and the woman. Perhaps he thinks that with a prostitute there is less chance of her misunderstanding the exchange. Lots of possibilities (I'm just outlining some random ones here, rather than what I'd definitely use in play). As for protection, in play I'd definitely have Cedric using protection (esp. magical). See - now I have a paladin I can use the BoEF with :) He wasn't acting drunk. Magnus assumed he was, and was surprised to discover he wasn't. It's a perspective error (and not the first) on Magnus' part. I think that would depend on the manner of cursing. I know more than a few people who use expletives as part of their everyday speech, and they do so when they are completely in control. It's just a normal part of their vocabulary. I do think that swearing tends to create imprecision in language usage and loses its efficacy when used constantly, but I don't think it shows any less discipline. "To be or not to be" is not objectively more disciplined than "To be or *bleep* not to be". It just scans worse ;) I'd say that all paladins being leaders, or more precisely, [B]how[/B] they are leaders, is another area where most people make unwarranted assumptions. I don't think all paladins have to be leaders, though I agree they're usually seen that way. As for Cedric, I'd see him as a leader in his actions for the cause, rather than in how he characterizes it to someone like Magnus. I'd also see him a leader in making others see beyond the veneer of paladinhood, beyond the shiny surface and the polished words, to the very core - namely, doing what should be done, simply because it should be done, irrespective of whether one is thanked, or honored, or the odds, or whether one hopes to win. Hmm - I think I have a couple of ideas for a further instalment of the saga of Cedric. Maybe I'll post something later today. [/QUOTE]
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