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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="Mr. Kaze" data-source="post: 2220513" data-attributes="member: 8848"><p>It's probably been said in the many pages of thread, but this example really highlights the problem with making roleplaying restrictions on an otherwise mechanical core class. The "Suicide Machine" aspect of the class drives him to behave in certain ways which strike me as no less acceptable and generally more rational than the usual Lawful Goody-Two-Shoes that are frequently at odds with the common "Kill them and take their loot" party philosopy. So he deals with sinners and tax collectors where they're at -- And? (To which, the real difficulty is that while he is not having any issues with himself, the common observer that doesn't have the paladin's abilities or self control might think "Good enough for him, good enough for me" when it really isn't -- hence the directive to eschew not only evil but also the appearance of evil and the reminder that, to the sanctified, everything is allowed but not everything is actually beneficial.)</p><p></p><p>IMG, we don't go into sexuality where it can be avoided and we don't pour a whole lot of eloquence into diplomacy checks to see if a point was made despite intentional brusqueness. That said, I'd probably be in favor of the character on account of him actually having character -- though I'd not be interested in exploring it in-game. But I'm also opposed to the "Lawful" restriction on the Paladin (compared to the "Any Evil" Blackguard) and not happy with the Paladin being a base class (compared to the PrC Blackguard or Holy Liberator).</p><p></p><p>So there you have it.</p><p>::Kaze</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mr. Kaze, post: 2220513, member: 8848"] It's probably been said in the many pages of thread, but this example really highlights the problem with making roleplaying restrictions on an otherwise mechanical core class. The "Suicide Machine" aspect of the class drives him to behave in certain ways which strike me as no less acceptable and generally more rational than the usual Lawful Goody-Two-Shoes that are frequently at odds with the common "Kill them and take their loot" party philosopy. So he deals with sinners and tax collectors where they're at -- And? (To which, the real difficulty is that while he is not having any issues with himself, the common observer that doesn't have the paladin's abilities or self control might think "Good enough for him, good enough for me" when it really isn't -- hence the directive to eschew not only evil but also the appearance of evil and the reminder that, to the sanctified, everything is allowed but not everything is actually beneficial.) IMG, we don't go into sexuality where it can be avoided and we don't pour a whole lot of eloquence into diplomacy checks to see if a point was made despite intentional brusqueness. That said, I'd probably be in favor of the character on account of him actually having character -- though I'd not be interested in exploring it in-game. But I'm also opposed to the "Lawful" restriction on the Paladin (compared to the "Any Evil" Blackguard) and not happy with the Paladin being a base class (compared to the PrC Blackguard or Holy Liberator). So there you have it. ::Kaze [/QUOTE]
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