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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4060096" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>I haven't read this entire thread (com'on - 26 pages!) but I just wanted to say: love the character concept! Not sure he's a paladin, though (at least by RAW). Here's why:</p><p></p><p>As some have already said, I agree that appearances matter. "Setting an example" is certainly part of acting honorably. You responded by asking, is the pious-acting paladin walking around town who doesn't actually -do- anything helping any more than this guy? To which I would have to say: well, yes, actually. Sure, he may not do as -much- to help to a small number of certain people, but he's leading a good example that has a minor effect on a very large number of people. Just knowing he exists is probably enough to help stop minor crimes and inspire others to lead better lives. So yeah: this really does count. Is it enough to strip Cedric of his paladin-hood? Probably not. But it's a start.</p><p></p><p>Next, the whoring. (How many times do you get to say that in a day? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />) The big thing that jumps out to me here is that it would be easier and more honorable for Cedric to just pay the money without patronizing the whore house. Sure, he might feel like he deserves it, but I think it's fair to say that this is still far less honorable than NOT taking advantage of these girls in this situation, which he is clearly doing, despite any noble pretext - and I think we can agree on this without jumping into the huge side-discussion about prostitution, hollywood-ization, morals, laws, etc. Again, is it enough? Probably - but if not, it's getting a whole lot closer.</p><p></p><p>I also wanted to point out something that I haven't seen a response to so far: in the battle with the succubus at the temple, he trapped the building. Maybe I'm just being a stickler here, but I think that falls pretty squarely into what is covered by "act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth)." Now, it has already been said that "and so forth" is a VERY tricky term, but at least to me, "using traps" is certainly not being forthright, fighting with honor, or not being tricky or devious or whatever. Poison use and trap use are closely associated, and I think the fact that he tricked the enemies here in this way is something that would, according to most games, get him booted. Or at least, it would reaaally call his class into question - and if you're already teetering on or just past the line (as he is), then it'd be too much.</p><p></p><p></p><p>All that said: would I allow him in my game? Absolutely! I've rarely seen such an interesting character pulled off so well! He's a great anti-hero. But I think it would be either due to a house rule about relaxing alignment restrictions on the class, or by allowing any flavor of paladin in the game. As many have said before: Cedric is clearly chaotic good. He darn near <em>embodies</em> the description of the alignment! Does this mean he can't be a paladin? RAW, I think it does - but I'd still be happy to have him in my game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 4060096, member: 9789"] I haven't read this entire thread (com'on - 26 pages!) but I just wanted to say: love the character concept! Not sure he's a paladin, though (at least by RAW). Here's why: As some have already said, I agree that appearances matter. "Setting an example" is certainly part of acting honorably. You responded by asking, is the pious-acting paladin walking around town who doesn't actually -do- anything helping any more than this guy? To which I would have to say: well, yes, actually. Sure, he may not do as -much- to help to a small number of certain people, but he's leading a good example that has a minor effect on a very large number of people. Just knowing he exists is probably enough to help stop minor crimes and inspire others to lead better lives. So yeah: this really does count. Is it enough to strip Cedric of his paladin-hood? Probably not. But it's a start. Next, the whoring. (How many times do you get to say that in a day? :)) The big thing that jumps out to me here is that it would be easier and more honorable for Cedric to just pay the money without patronizing the whore house. Sure, he might feel like he deserves it, but I think it's fair to say that this is still far less honorable than NOT taking advantage of these girls in this situation, which he is clearly doing, despite any noble pretext - and I think we can agree on this without jumping into the huge side-discussion about prostitution, hollywood-ization, morals, laws, etc. Again, is it enough? Probably - but if not, it's getting a whole lot closer. I also wanted to point out something that I haven't seen a response to so far: in the battle with the succubus at the temple, he trapped the building. Maybe I'm just being a stickler here, but I think that falls pretty squarely into what is covered by "act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth)." Now, it has already been said that "and so forth" is a VERY tricky term, but at least to me, "using traps" is certainly not being forthright, fighting with honor, or not being tricky or devious or whatever. Poison use and trap use are closely associated, and I think the fact that he tricked the enemies here in this way is something that would, according to most games, get him booted. Or at least, it would reaaally call his class into question - and if you're already teetering on or just past the line (as he is), then it'd be too much. All that said: would I allow him in my game? Absolutely! I've rarely seen such an interesting character pulled off so well! He's a great anti-hero. But I think it would be either due to a house rule about relaxing alignment restrictions on the class, or by allowing any flavor of paladin in the game. As many have said before: Cedric is clearly chaotic good. He darn near [I]embodies[/I] the description of the alignment! Does this mean he can't be a paladin? RAW, I think it does - but I'd still be happy to have him in my game. [/QUOTE]
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