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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 4061691" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Now that's just a beautiful line <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you are a kinder, gentler and happier man for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I had put in the bit about the trap on purpose because it's another of the things that is not something commonly associated with paladins but which is in enough of a gray area that I think it is usable. You, and I'm sure may others, evidently disagree. As you note, there's a big gap between the extremes and I think it comes down to issues of definition and where one draws the line. Paladins, by the RAW, are evidently able to use some degree of subterfuge, as evidenced by the Undetectable Alignment spell on their spell list. Now the question is what degree and type of subterfuge is acceptable, and that decision will vary between individuals. Do you let a paladin benefit from flanking bonuses? Or attack flatfooted enemies? Can he hit a clearly weaker enemy with a sword during a battle? Can a paladin/rogue use sneak attacks? Can he let his mage buddy cast a displacement spell on him? Can the mage cast Greater Invisibility on him? Can he use a trap? I would say "Yes" in all of the above cases.</p><p></p><p>I should note also that he was using a trap against a bunch of enemies who were attacking him, which I don't think quite counts as killing people unawares.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 4061691, member: 198"] Now that's just a beautiful line :D! And you are a kinder, gentler and happier man for it. I had put in the bit about the trap on purpose because it's another of the things that is not something commonly associated with paladins but which is in enough of a gray area that I think it is usable. You, and I'm sure may others, evidently disagree. As you note, there's a big gap between the extremes and I think it comes down to issues of definition and where one draws the line. Paladins, by the RAW, are evidently able to use some degree of subterfuge, as evidenced by the Undetectable Alignment spell on their spell list. Now the question is what degree and type of subterfuge is acceptable, and that decision will vary between individuals. Do you let a paladin benefit from flanking bonuses? Or attack flatfooted enemies? Can he hit a clearly weaker enemy with a sword during a battle? Can a paladin/rogue use sneak attacks? Can he let his mage buddy cast a displacement spell on him? Can the mage cast Greater Invisibility on him? Can he use a trap? I would say "Yes" in all of the above cases. I should note also that he was using a trap against a bunch of enemies who were attacking him, which I don't think quite counts as killing people unawares. [/QUOTE]
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