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<blockquote data-quote="BBQLord" data-source="post: 4531471" data-attributes="member: 79421"><p>I actually registered to answer here. Unbelievable, if you knew how much of a lazy lurker I am.</p><p>(Sorry for reviving something so dead but damn, this stuff is Epic Awesome).</p><p></p><p>I would allow Cedric. </p><p></p><p>1) Just for his personality and interesting roleplay potential.</p><p>2) Not anything that he does goes against the paladin class.</p><p></p><p>He frequents prostitutes and pays for their services? That's <strong>lawful</strong> behaviour. More lawful than picking up a girl in a bar, actually (since that's far less formal and both partners' expectations are less clear(ly met)). In Cedric's case, where said prostitutes <strong>want</strong> to sleep with him, it's even <strong>good</strong> behaviour (he makes them feel pleased with him afterwards, which demonstrates his concern for their feelings and that he values them as sentient beings). He must be an honorable customer they have little bad to say about (as the Madam says).</p><p></p><p>He drinks alcoholic beverages? In the average D&D world, who doesn't consume alcohol? There is no good or evil inherent in the drinking of alcohol. Does it impair his judgment or hinder his abilities? No. Not ever. He drinks an amount he can handle, he never deviates from this amount (which, by way of gradual immunization, should lessen it's effects to the point of it barely affecting him at all) and pays for his drinks. The strict routine screams <strong>lawful</strong>, the alcohol itself says nothing about evil or good (which does <strong>not</strong> make it neutral but N/A).</p><p></p><p> He's a bit of a devious bastard with traps but he hung around (probably to make sure no-one but the evildoers set it off) and did it for the greater good (we aren't claiming Cedric is Lawful Exalted Good, some concessions may be made).</p><p></p><p>There have been those that said Sir Cedric doesn't set a good example? I beg to differ. The godawful stereotypical paladin wearing shining armor, galloping about on his white horse, slaying dragons and saving maidens has actually become 'unreachable'. These paladins set an example <strong>so absurdly out of reach</strong> of the commoners that no one in his right mind would even try to act like them.</p><p></p><p>Think about a world in which everyone followed the stereotypical paladin's example: a lush green world filled with honest, happy people that always acted with goodness, lawfulness and respectfulness. They've all taken vows of abstinence, chastity, nonviolence and obedience. Imagine all the good it would do them if, after one generation, they'd all gone extinct because of their celibacy.</p><p></p><p>Sir Cedric on the other hand is an <strong>excellent</strong> example <strong>because</strong> it's easy to picture anyone to become like him. His example is easier to reach and therefore likelier to be set as a goal. You can still drink, just do so with some restraint. You can still sleep with prostitutes but don't exploit them and make them actually <strong>enjoy</strong> being prostitutes. You can still curse, just don't do it with venom or out of spite. Stick to your friends and ideals, no matter what. </p><p></p><p>Hell, IMHO, Sir Cedric is a better paladin than the stereotypical paladin.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have already reviewed the BoED. In it they quite clearly state (page 34) that the only poison (not ravage) characters can use is drow poison and oil of taggit (DMG) (both only cause unconsciousness).</p><p></p><p>Ravages 'are different' (don't think so myself but it's what the book says) because it's the evil *within* the opponent that causes the stuff to work. Quite clearly BS but hey, what can a fellow do?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BBQLord, post: 4531471, member: 79421"] I actually registered to answer here. Unbelievable, if you knew how much of a lazy lurker I am. (Sorry for reviving something so dead but damn, this stuff is Epic Awesome). I would allow Cedric. 1) Just for his personality and interesting roleplay potential. 2) Not anything that he does goes against the paladin class. He frequents prostitutes and pays for their services? That's [B]lawful[/B] behaviour. More lawful than picking up a girl in a bar, actually (since that's far less formal and both partners' expectations are less clear(ly met)). In Cedric's case, where said prostitutes [B]want[/B] to sleep with him, it's even [B]good[/B] behaviour (he makes them feel pleased with him afterwards, which demonstrates his concern for their feelings and that he values them as sentient beings). He must be an honorable customer they have little bad to say about (as the Madam says). He drinks alcoholic beverages? In the average D&D world, who doesn't consume alcohol? There is no good or evil inherent in the drinking of alcohol. Does it impair his judgment or hinder his abilities? No. Not ever. He drinks an amount he can handle, he never deviates from this amount (which, by way of gradual immunization, should lessen it's effects to the point of it barely affecting him at all) and pays for his drinks. The strict routine screams [B]lawful[/B], the alcohol itself says nothing about evil or good (which does [B]not[/B] make it neutral but N/A). He's a bit of a devious bastard with traps but he hung around (probably to make sure no-one but the evildoers set it off) and did it for the greater good (we aren't claiming Cedric is Lawful Exalted Good, some concessions may be made). There have been those that said Sir Cedric doesn't set a good example? I beg to differ. The godawful stereotypical paladin wearing shining armor, galloping about on his white horse, slaying dragons and saving maidens has actually become 'unreachable'. These paladins set an example [B]so absurdly out of reach[/B] of the commoners that no one in his right mind would even try to act like them. Think about a world in which everyone followed the stereotypical paladin's example: a lush green world filled with honest, happy people that always acted with goodness, lawfulness and respectfulness. They've all taken vows of abstinence, chastity, nonviolence and obedience. Imagine all the good it would do them if, after one generation, they'd all gone extinct because of their celibacy. Sir Cedric on the other hand is an [B]excellent[/B] example [B]because[/B] it's easy to picture anyone to become like him. His example is easier to reach and therefore likelier to be set as a goal. You can still drink, just do so with some restraint. You can still sleep with prostitutes but don't exploit them and make them actually [B]enjoy[/B] being prostitutes. You can still curse, just don't do it with venom or out of spite. Stick to your friends and ideals, no matter what. Hell, IMHO, Sir Cedric is a better paladin than the stereotypical paladin. You have already reviewed the BoED. In it they quite clearly state (page 34) that the only poison (not ravage) characters can use is drow poison and oil of taggit (DMG) (both only cause unconsciousness). Ravages 'are different' (don't think so myself but it's what the book says) because it's the evil *within* the opponent that causes the stuff to work. Quite clearly BS but hey, what can a fellow do? [/QUOTE]
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