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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7462361" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Sure, I guess if you want to completely ignore context it makes you "invisible." For those of use who understand the rest of the stealth rules in the PHB which clearly show that you are not invisible, but merely out of sight, we understand that it's not the same as the spell. From the stealth rules.</p><p></p><p>"Becoming Hidden: You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you’re outside the enemy’s line of sight."</p><p></p><p>So you can become "invisible" if you are out of sight due to cover. But hey, feel free to keep doubling down on a position that isn't supported by the rules when you put the word "invisible" in the proper context.</p><p></p><p>Edit: The stealth "invisible" also fails to meet the 4e definition of invisibility. Specifically, it fails the first bullet point. The stealth rules specifically say that you can see the hidden target with normal forms of vision by simply having a high enough perception, and by pointing out that you must "stay out of sight." </p><p></p><p></p><p>INVISIBLE</p><p>✦ <strong>You can’t be seen by normal forms of vision.</strong></p><p>✦ You have combat advantage against any enemy that</p><p>can’t see you.</p><p>✦ You don’t provoke opportunity attacks from enemies</p><p>that can’t see you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7462361, member: 23751"] Sure, I guess if you want to completely ignore context it makes you "invisible." For those of use who understand the rest of the stealth rules in the PHB which clearly show that you are not invisible, but merely out of sight, we understand that it's not the same as the spell. From the stealth rules. "Becoming Hidden: You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you’re outside the enemy’s line of sight." So you can become "invisible" if you are out of sight due to cover. But hey, feel free to keep doubling down on a position that isn't supported by the rules when you put the word "invisible" in the proper context. Edit: The stealth "invisible" also fails to meet the 4e definition of invisibility. Specifically, it fails the first bullet point. The stealth rules specifically say that you can see the hidden target with normal forms of vision by simply having a high enough perception, and by pointing out that you must "stay out of sight." INVISIBLE ✦ [B]You can’t be seen by normal forms of vision.[/B] ✦ You have combat advantage against any enemy that can’t see you. ✦ You don’t provoke opportunity attacks from enemies that can’t see you. [/QUOTE]
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