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Would you buy an AI-generated Castle Greyhawk "by" Gary Gygax?" Should you?
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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9235089" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>As you previously pointed out, we don't know exactly how the human brain works. As I pointed out, it isn't magical. So the claim that it can't be mapped to mathematical functions is pretty confident.</p><p></p><p>AI hasn't needed the billions of years of evolution that we've had. And statements like "we can change the rules, think outside the box," those are aphorisms. What do they mean, really?</p><p></p><p>We don't know how the human brain and human mind work, though we are developing increasingly complex theories. We don't entirely know how generative AI works, though we understand how it was built. We do know that it appears to be evolving unexpected abilities. So I'm going to be cautious about declaring what it can or can't do...or what humans can or can't do.</p><p></p><p>AIs <em>have</em> been discovering new proofs and axioms in mathematics. Famously.</p><p></p><p>I think that human creativity probably involves a great deal of statistical modelling at an unconscious level, but it would be very reductionist to claim that there is nothing more. However, I don't exactly follow your point here.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what your point is. I already agreed that the human brain is astoundingly complex. I am also aware that AIs function profoundly differently. It does not then follow that AIs cannot potentially exceed the human brain at various tasks. In fact, we already know they can. You seem to think that one particular task, "creativity," cannot be achieved, but you haven't defined what that task is, beyond vague aphorisms.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/27/why-your-brain-is-not-a-computer-neuroscience-neural-networks-consciousness" target="_blank">T</a>hank you for explaining what a metaphor is. I hadn't realized.</p><p></p><p>"Bad" is a qualitative judgment. I have gotten ChatGPT to write things that were quite good, IMO. The Dall-E thread is full of images that I consider quite good. What does "soulless" mean? Your argument keeps coming down to undefinable terms.</p><p></p><p>This is...pretty condescending.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9235089, member: 7035894"] As you previously pointed out, we don't know exactly how the human brain works. As I pointed out, it isn't magical. So the claim that it can't be mapped to mathematical functions is pretty confident. AI hasn't needed the billions of years of evolution that we've had. And statements like "we can change the rules, think outside the box," those are aphorisms. What do they mean, really? We don't know how the human brain and human mind work, though we are developing increasingly complex theories. We don't entirely know how generative AI works, though we understand how it was built. We do know that it appears to be evolving unexpected abilities. So I'm going to be cautious about declaring what it can or can't do...or what humans can or can't do. AIs [I]have[/I] been discovering new proofs and axioms in mathematics. Famously. I think that human creativity probably involves a great deal of statistical modelling at an unconscious level, but it would be very reductionist to claim that there is nothing more. However, I don't exactly follow your point here. I'm not sure what your point is. I already agreed that the human brain is astoundingly complex. I am also aware that AIs function profoundly differently. It does not then follow that AIs cannot potentially exceed the human brain at various tasks. In fact, we already know they can. You seem to think that one particular task, "creativity," cannot be achieved, but you haven't defined what that task is, beyond vague aphorisms. [URL='https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/27/why-your-brain-is-not-a-computer-neuroscience-neural-networks-consciousness']T[/URL]hank you for explaining what a metaphor is. I hadn't realized. "Bad" is a qualitative judgment. I have gotten ChatGPT to write things that were quite good, IMO. The Dall-E thread is full of images that I consider quite good. What does "soulless" mean? Your argument keeps coming down to undefinable terms. This is...pretty condescending. [/QUOTE]
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