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yes, this again: Fighters need more non-combat options
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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7547688" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>That's an optional rule which adds a great deal of complexity and shifts character balance in unpredictable ways; but even if the DM is willing to consider using that rule, it's not a slam dunk that it would apply in the situation you describe. Even if you demonstrate great strength in your display, it's not necessarily a given that you could get your point across when you utterly lack the body language or force of personality to convey that.</p><p></p><p>It's a lot like the problem with paladins using Charisma to swing swords in 4E. It's not that your grace <em>shouldn't</em> factor into the equation, but it's hard to justify your physical strength being <em>completely</em> irrelevant, and the d20 system math only allows you to add one or the other. Who should hit harder: a paladin with 400 Strength and 2 Charisma, or a paladin with 2 Strength and 400 Charisma?</p><p></p><p>A fighter with 400 Strength and 2 Charisma is basically a tractor, and farm equipment will never coerce me into divulging anyone's secret lair.</p><p></p><p>Other games have solved this issue by letting you apply two stats at once, so Intimidation might be a combined Strength+Charisma check, but the d20 system math only lets you add one stat per check.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7547688, member: 6775031"] That's an optional rule which adds a great deal of complexity and shifts character balance in unpredictable ways; but even if the DM is willing to consider using that rule, it's not a slam dunk that it would apply in the situation you describe. Even if you demonstrate great strength in your display, it's not necessarily a given that you could get your point across when you utterly lack the body language or force of personality to convey that. It's a lot like the problem with paladins using Charisma to swing swords in 4E. It's not that your grace [I]shouldn't[/I] factor into the equation, but it's hard to justify your physical strength being [I]completely[/I] irrelevant, and the d20 system math only allows you to add one or the other. Who should hit harder: a paladin with 400 Strength and 2 Charisma, or a paladin with 2 Strength and 400 Charisma? A fighter with 400 Strength and 2 Charisma is basically a tractor, and farm equipment will never coerce me into divulging anyone's secret lair. Other games have solved this issue by letting you apply two stats at once, so Intimidation might be a combined Strength+Charisma check, but the d20 system math only lets you add one stat per check. [/QUOTE]
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