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<blockquote data-quote="Scribe" data-source="post: 8489250" data-attributes="member: 6807152"><p>FrozenNorth, just to get this out of the way, I'm not looking for an antagonistic discussion to start off my weekend. I dont believe we have been at odds before, so I'm trying to just start at a basic level of discourse here.</p><p></p><p>First, Alignment absolutely IS divorced from any real world morality because its dealing with a world that is not real and in the context of this discussion a world that is seemingly leaning towards 'dark' or 'grim' as the PF1 world as presented in the game being discussed to ME seems pretty dark and grim. Second, I'm not talking about other implementations, other versions, or what transpired in 2e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who says it was unjust? Was it every time? We are in fact presented later in the game with an example where it seemingly was justified (assuming again in the PF1 world this is an act that is accepted by the Good side of the world.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, probably. In a system in which morality falls on a sliding scale, 1 sin is likely not enough to dictate a person's morality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, hes not Evil, because he can see, or be reasoned with, to consider the alternatives. You can convince him to let the Desna priests leave, you can also (I cannot remember the dialogue path) get him to go back to the base of operations to help, through he does it because he thinks Irabeth will screw things up. Zone of Truth also wouldnt particularly help in the scenario presented. The Desna priests ARE telling the truth, they had a dream.</p><p></p><p>Now set some context. Cultists are real and COMMON. Demons are practically outside the gates. War has been going on his ENTIRE LIFE against said forces.</p><p></p><p>Whats a dream to him? Is that proof of innocence? If the priests are confirmed as telling the truth of their story, does that sway a man who's duty is to law, and the safety of his city no matter the cost? No. Zone of Truth isnt going to sway him. Consider also, that his Goddess, is the one that made the Wardstones that these Desna priests are calling corrupt...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have not accused anyone of lacking nuance to my recent memory. I'm also not saying Evil must be, can only be, unapologetically unrepentantly evil. Regill's Evil, is not Daeran's Evil, is not Wenduag's Evil, and is CERTAINLY not a certainly other companions type of Evil.</p><p></p><p>Which is good. The Good side is also variable in how it approaches things. This is fine.</p><p></p><p>If I've accused you of lacking nuance, I apologize.</p><p></p><p>I also make no claim at being a PF1 expert, or having perfect knowledge of Wrath of the Righteous, this is just my interpretations based on the 300 (yikes) hours put into the game so far. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribe, post: 8489250, member: 6807152"] FrozenNorth, just to get this out of the way, I'm not looking for an antagonistic discussion to start off my weekend. I dont believe we have been at odds before, so I'm trying to just start at a basic level of discourse here. First, Alignment absolutely IS divorced from any real world morality because its dealing with a world that is not real and in the context of this discussion a world that is seemingly leaning towards 'dark' or 'grim' as the PF1 world as presented in the game being discussed to ME seems pretty dark and grim. Second, I'm not talking about other implementations, other versions, or what transpired in 2e. Who says it was unjust? Was it every time? We are in fact presented later in the game with an example where it seemingly was justified (assuming again in the PF1 world this is an act that is accepted by the Good side of the world.) Yes, probably. In a system in which morality falls on a sliding scale, 1 sin is likely not enough to dictate a person's morality. No, hes not Evil, because he can see, or be reasoned with, to consider the alternatives. You can convince him to let the Desna priests leave, you can also (I cannot remember the dialogue path) get him to go back to the base of operations to help, through he does it because he thinks Irabeth will screw things up. Zone of Truth also wouldnt particularly help in the scenario presented. The Desna priests ARE telling the truth, they had a dream. Now set some context. Cultists are real and COMMON. Demons are practically outside the gates. War has been going on his ENTIRE LIFE against said forces. Whats a dream to him? Is that proof of innocence? If the priests are confirmed as telling the truth of their story, does that sway a man who's duty is to law, and the safety of his city no matter the cost? No. Zone of Truth isnt going to sway him. Consider also, that his Goddess, is the one that made the Wardstones that these Desna priests are calling corrupt... I have not accused anyone of lacking nuance to my recent memory. I'm also not saying Evil must be, can only be, unapologetically unrepentantly evil. Regill's Evil, is not Daeran's Evil, is not Wenduag's Evil, and is CERTAINLY not a certainly other companions type of Evil. Which is good. The Good side is also variable in how it approaches things. This is fine. If I've accused you of lacking nuance, I apologize. I also make no claim at being a PF1 expert, or having perfect knowledge of Wrath of the Righteous, this is just my interpretations based on the 300 (yikes) hours put into the game so far. :) [/QUOTE]
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