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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7433873" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Yes, it's quite likely the daemon is one of Gygax's "gotcha" monsters. The name <em>mezzodaemon</em> itself somewhat implies this is the case if a pseudo-latin etymology of "half-demon" in the sense of "sort of, but not quite, a demon" is assumed. It also works for filling in the alignment wheel between LE and CE, in the sense of "half-demon/half-devil". The etymology of <em>nycadaemon</em> is more obscure, but I think it's probably something like "night-demon".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They cheerfully "bully and harass" orcs (into working for them?), according to the Humanoid Racial Preference Table in Gygax's DMG, which doesn't sound very cheerful for the orcs and supports the idea that CE social dynamics are characterized by control and coercion rather than mutual cooperation. A CE ogre is perfectly happy to work "with" orcs it has cowed into submission, similar to how a CE orc chief, or some other dark lord, maintains his power through fear and violence. On the other hand, a concerted effort by a group of orcs (perhaps controlled by a more powerful and intelligent CE dark lord) could sufficiently cow an ogre to gain its assistance. </p><p></p><p>Of course, there's more to relations between ogres and orcs than alignment, and ogres are not demons. I'd expect ogres to tend toward CE, but to find some that are more CN and some that are more NE, for example.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see the compact as inhibiting the CE creature's ability to act with randomness, caprice, and whim. Such limitations are undesirable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The difference is while a NE creature will use "whatever means are expedient", <em>including working within a group when it's advantageous</em>, a CE creature seeks benefit for itself by exercising its "individual caprice" and whim, rather than derive benefit as a member of a group that more directly benefits from the creature's actions. Which is to say that CE and LE are different (and somewhat exclusive) approaches to expediency, but NE partakes of both. At least, that's how I think of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7433873, member: 6787503"] Yes, it's quite likely the daemon is one of Gygax's "gotcha" monsters. The name [I]mezzodaemon[/I] itself somewhat implies this is the case if a pseudo-latin etymology of "half-demon" in the sense of "sort of, but not quite, a demon" is assumed. It also works for filling in the alignment wheel between LE and CE, in the sense of "half-demon/half-devil". The etymology of [I]nycadaemon[/I] is more obscure, but I think it's probably something like "night-demon". They cheerfully "bully and harass" orcs (into working for them?), according to the Humanoid Racial Preference Table in Gygax's DMG, which doesn't sound very cheerful for the orcs and supports the idea that CE social dynamics are characterized by control and coercion rather than mutual cooperation. A CE ogre is perfectly happy to work "with" orcs it has cowed into submission, similar to how a CE orc chief, or some other dark lord, maintains his power through fear and violence. On the other hand, a concerted effort by a group of orcs (perhaps controlled by a more powerful and intelligent CE dark lord) could sufficiently cow an ogre to gain its assistance. Of course, there's more to relations between ogres and orcs than alignment, and ogres are not demons. I'd expect ogres to tend toward CE, but to find some that are more CN and some that are more NE, for example. I see the compact as inhibiting the CE creature's ability to act with randomness, caprice, and whim. Such limitations are undesirable. The difference is while a NE creature will use "whatever means are expedient", [I]including working within a group when it's advantageous[/I], a CE creature seeks benefit for itself by exercising its "individual caprice" and whim, rather than derive benefit as a member of a group that more directly benefits from the creature's actions. Which is to say that CE and LE are different (and somewhat exclusive) approaches to expediency, but NE partakes of both. At least, that's how I think of it. [/QUOTE]
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