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<blockquote data-quote="Arcaneshield" data-source="post: 8428418" data-attributes="member: 6696716"><p>I feel I rebutted the 'flip the genders and think about it you sexist' in my previous post so I won't go further into that. Your arguments up to the gender dynamics I can see your point of view and can entertain that there is definitely some logical issues with that whole thing as presented. Wholly agree.</p><p></p><p>Now getting to the gender balance. I'd like to point to one of your statements, 'My quibble is that I don't think the system properly reflects a matriarchal society. It veers away from 'akela women are noble lionesses who pick and choose their mates' and closer to 'akela women are sheep given to the wolves as a sop to their hunger.''. Your statements seem a bit 'argue to feeling' for my personal taste but I also think you may be falling into your own biases on what you would like to see a matriarchy look like.</p><p></p><p>You're also making a common logical mistake in this assumption that Matirarchy and Patriarchy means all members of that gender are in positions of power. The assumption that because the ruling body are unilaterally a single gender that then power and dignity flows down to everyone of the same gender, which is not the case historically nor is it necessarily logical in this case either, even less so.</p><p></p><p>The fact of the matter is for the Elfaivar people they do not have the luxury of doing as they please. The ruling minority still have to answer to the males of their society who greatly outnumber them, and have many reasons to be fleeing Elfaivar in the droves. They do not have complete power like some fully entrenched Matriarchy and there's no indication from what I read that there is a widespread sociateal matriarchy top to bottom, just that the three conclaves are run by matriarchs. That does not follow that every Elfaivaran woman is of a ruling elite social class.</p><p></p><p>In order for the race and culture to last they have to regain their numbers while also hiding that societal program from the outside world. Again I see the brothel system as being a very strange and extreme response but I can see the internal logic of it and how the matriarchs might have instituted such a thing. Of course, as I stated earlier, its likely that like any ruling body they didn't submit themselves to this service alongside the common folk.</p><p></p><p>Now as to your statement about sudden widespread societal collapse with rape and enslavement widespread immediately, yeah you're right that wouldn't happen suddenly. However again this is my own sort of understanding mixed with the holes I filled in as a DM but I got the sense that the conclaves waited out a good deal of upheaval but not all eladrin made it to enclaves. The existance of the weretigers in the forest and the eladrin slave trade out of Elfaivar speaks to some eladrin not making way there. Now in a societal collapse where you're not in the fancy magic walled city, it could get a little mad max out there. Petty eladrin warlords trying to keep their society going fighting guriella warfare in the jungle fighting over the few women left alive.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And I will add, I continue to be disappointed at your ascribing motive towards an author's work, trivializing what you disagree with as being 'written by a horny guy thinking with his dick'. I feel it is bordering on ad hominem and is in poor taste.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arcaneshield, post: 8428418, member: 6696716"] I feel I rebutted the 'flip the genders and think about it you sexist' in my previous post so I won't go further into that. Your arguments up to the gender dynamics I can see your point of view and can entertain that there is definitely some logical issues with that whole thing as presented. Wholly agree. Now getting to the gender balance. I'd like to point to one of your statements, 'My quibble is that I don't think the system properly reflects a matriarchal society. It veers away from 'akela women are noble lionesses who pick and choose their mates' and closer to 'akela women are sheep given to the wolves as a sop to their hunger.''. Your statements seem a bit 'argue to feeling' for my personal taste but I also think you may be falling into your own biases on what you would like to see a matriarchy look like. You're also making a common logical mistake in this assumption that Matirarchy and Patriarchy means all members of that gender are in positions of power. The assumption that because the ruling body are unilaterally a single gender that then power and dignity flows down to everyone of the same gender, which is not the case historically nor is it necessarily logical in this case either, even less so. The fact of the matter is for the Elfaivar people they do not have the luxury of doing as they please. The ruling minority still have to answer to the males of their society who greatly outnumber them, and have many reasons to be fleeing Elfaivar in the droves. They do not have complete power like some fully entrenched Matriarchy and there's no indication from what I read that there is a widespread sociateal matriarchy top to bottom, just that the three conclaves are run by matriarchs. That does not follow that every Elfaivaran woman is of a ruling elite social class. In order for the race and culture to last they have to regain their numbers while also hiding that societal program from the outside world. Again I see the brothel system as being a very strange and extreme response but I can see the internal logic of it and how the matriarchs might have instituted such a thing. Of course, as I stated earlier, its likely that like any ruling body they didn't submit themselves to this service alongside the common folk. Now as to your statement about sudden widespread societal collapse with rape and enslavement widespread immediately, yeah you're right that wouldn't happen suddenly. However again this is my own sort of understanding mixed with the holes I filled in as a DM but I got the sense that the conclaves waited out a good deal of upheaval but not all eladrin made it to enclaves. The existance of the weretigers in the forest and the eladrin slave trade out of Elfaivar speaks to some eladrin not making way there. Now in a societal collapse where you're not in the fancy magic walled city, it could get a little mad max out there. Petty eladrin warlords trying to keep their society going fighting guriella warfare in the jungle fighting over the few women left alive. EDIT: And I will add, I continue to be disappointed at your ascribing motive towards an author's work, trivializing what you disagree with as being 'written by a horny guy thinking with his dick'. I feel it is bordering on ad hominem and is in poor taste. [/QUOTE]
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