As with our successful 3.5 subscription, we will be releasing the adventures one month at a time. The full subscription costs $49.99 for all twelve adventures plus the two guides.
The adventures will also be available separately at between $5.99 and $6.99 (depending on the size of each) in PDF format, and for a bit more than that in softback format. The subscription method is the cheapest way to buy the entire saga in PDF format.
You can purchase the subscription at any time. When you do so, you will immediately receive all products added to the subscription to that point, and will recieve the further products immediately upon release. No products have yet been added to the subscription, but if you subscribe now, you will receive the first product immediately upon release.
The current price is an initial offer price; the subscription will increase in price at a later date. So buy now to lock in the cheaper price!
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Last edited by Piratecat; 30th March 2009 at 08:34 PM..
Okay, maybe I am just not seeing it, but lets for a second assume that I prefer my adventures in paper.
1) Is there a subscription option for me?
2) If I buy the adventures individually (in softback), do I get the PDF too (as with Paizo products?) Or do I have to buy those seperately?
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What are the approximate Lulu prices for each adventure? I guess you can use the 3.5 versions as a benchmark, so are we talking like $12-$15 each for B&W?
Will the 4e PDFs be full-color adventures? I don't care if all the art and maps are the same as the 3.5 versions, though I imagine that some maps will be slightly altered to better fit within the 4e paradigm.
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Books currently in play: Dungeon & Dragon Magazine (*Scales of War AP*), WOTC 4e Core and Supplemental books
Current Campaign: Scales of War - Lost Mines of Karak -- Kodirgo, Minotaur Barbarian 6; Vondal, Dwarf Cleric 6; Karithul, Gnome Bard 6; Marshaun, Elf Druid 6
What are the approximate Lulu prices for each adventure? I guess you can use the 3.5 versions as a benchmark, so are we talking like $12-$15 each for B&W?
Will the 4e PDFs be full-color adventures? I don't care if all the art and maps are the same as the 3.5 versions, though I imagine that some maps will be slightly altered to better fit within the 4e paradigm.
Yeah, same sort of pricing structure.
We released the final 3.5 adventure (The Beating of the Aquiline Heart) in full colour, so you can see what difference going colour makes to the printing costs. I'm of a mind to stick to full colour because, although it's expensive, they do look gorgeous in colour.
Will there be a discount for those who subscribed to the 3.5 version and now want to get the 4e version?
Hadn't really thought of that.... but it seems all I'm getting is questions about discounts from people!
We price them as cheap as we can. We could offer a discount to those people, but we'd have to raise the price for everyone else then, as there's no real lower wiggle room in the set price. I'm not sure that's fair to other people.
I'm sure you understand that if we subscribed to the 3.5 version then we've already paid $50 once, and it's hard to justify laying out another full $50 when a fair bit of the content will be stuff we already own.
On a GM's note -- will the 4e version also target levels 1-20, or will it spread up to higher levels?
I'm sure you understand that if we subscribed to the 3.5 version then we've already paid $50 once, and it's hard to justify laying out another full $50 when a fair bit of the content will be stuff we already own.
On a GM's note -- will the 4e version also target levels 1-20, or will it spread up to higher levels?
So Freeport 4e, build on the materials from 3rd ed, will be substaintaily cheaper for those who own previous Freeport material? Casue I don't remember that happening with the 3.0 to 3.5 conversion and there was a lot less effort involved in that.
I'm sure you understand that if we subscribed to the 3.5 version then we've already paid $50 once, and it's hard to justify laying out another full $50 when a fair bit of the content will be stuff we already own.
Yes. Like I said, if we can do it without *paying* for the privilage, we will. I can understand people not wanting to buy a new edition of stuff, though - just look at D&D! We're kinda forced to follow suit.
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On a GM's note -- will the 4e version also target levels 1-20, or will it spread up to higher levels?
They're all being rewritten for 4E, going from 1-30.
I'm sure you understand that if we subscribed to the 3.5 version then we've already paid $50 once, and it's hard to justify laying out another full $50 when a fair bit of the content will be stuff we already own.
See.... I don't mind paying $50 again for the full subscription because I am expecting there to be a fair difference in the way it's put together and mechanically it will be very different.
I just hope the PDF is in full color! And maybe we'll even get battlemaps (if some of the existing maps change).
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Try to not let failure to use technical language properly get in the way of getting to the real point under discussion. - Umbran
Characters & Games
Books currently in play: Dungeon & Dragon Magazine (*Scales of War AP*), WOTC 4e Core and Supplemental books
Current Campaign: Scales of War - Lost Mines of Karak -- Kodirgo, Minotaur Barbarian 6; Vondal, Dwarf Cleric 6; Karithul, Gnome Bard 6; Marshaun, Elf Druid 6
See.... I don't mind paying $50 again for the full subscription because I am expecting there to be a fair difference in the way it's put together and mechanically it will be very different.
Yup. We're not just converting the stat blocks. We're rewriting them to fit the 4E game assumptions.
So Freeport 4e, build on the materials from 3rd ed, will be substaintaily cheaper for those who own previous Freeport material? Casue I don't remember that happening with the 3.0 to 3.5 conversion and there was a lot less effort involved in that.
Perhaps explaining why I bought Freeport 3e and didn't bother buying Freeport 3.5!
Look, I understand that there's a fair bit of work involved in the update.
But, unlike a print update, you don't have to pay for a bunch of paper and binding in PDF. And re-using art and maps are a big savings.
And some of us bought 3.5 Burning Skies even though we knew 4e was coming and that we were going to switch over because we like supporting ENWorld and figured there'd be some reasonable middle-ground for getting a 4e version down the line.
Perhaps explaining why I bought Freeport 3e and didn't bother buying Freeport 3.5!
Look, I understand that there's a fair bit of work involved in the update.
But, unlike a print update, you don't have to pay for a bunch of paper and binding in PDF. And re-using art and maps are a big savings.
And some of us bought 3.5 Burning Skies even though we knew 4e was coming and that we were going to switch over because we like supporting ENWorld and figured there'd be some reasonable middle-ground for getting a 4e version down the line.
Steve, it's OK if the deal isn't worth it to you! Every purchaser of a product or service has to make that decision. We almost didn't go ahead with the 4E version because we acknowledged that we'd suffer from the law of diminishing returns; that's fine.
Because people asked for it, we decided to go ahead anyway. But the margins are incredibly tight; it costs as much to update them as it did to write them in the first place.
I'm not trying to convince you to buy something you don't want to buy - this is purely for those who want a 4E version of WotBS.
I'm sure that, as a publisher yourself, you appreciate that math is math, and no good intentions can get around the fact that you can't sell your product for less than it costs you to produce it!
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Last edited by Morrus; 27th March 2009 at 09:53 PM..
Do lulu still have that cheap flat rate shipping option for Europe? I've heard that they increased their shipping prices dramatically, forcing some publishers (Redbrick doing Earthdawn, fx) to seek other options.
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Sold. I've been waiting for an epic 4e campaign to come my way, excluding the Scales of War Adventure Path (not the kind of game I was looking for). I can't wait to run this for my group - good timing, too now that a lot of us have our hands on PHB2.
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