Spell slots: lower spells in higher slots

Kaledor · Oct 28, 2005

Okay.

I know that a sorcerer can choose to use up a higher level spell slot to cast a lower level spell (ie, give up a second level spell slot in order to cast magic missile).

But can a wizard do the same?
Can a wizard prepare a 3rd level spell in a 4th level spell slot WITHOUT the application of a metamagic feat?? Can my wizard prepare a REGULAR lightning bolt in his 4th level slot?

Peter Gibbons · Oct 28, 2005

Kaledor said:
Okay.

I know that a sorcerer can choose to use up a higher level spell slot to cast a lower level spell (ie, give up a second level spell slot in order to cast magic missile).

But can a wizard do the same?
Can a wizard prepare a 3rd level spell in a 4th level spell slot WITHOUT the application of a metamagic feat?? Can my wizard prepare a REGULAR lightning bolt in his 4th level slot?

Yes.

In fact, if his Intelligence happens to be 13, that's the only use of his 4th level slot(s) he's going to get.

Thanee · Oct 28, 2005

Here's the SRD bit...

Spell Slots: The various character class tables show how many spells of each level a character can cast per day. These openings for daily spells are called spell slots. A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell. A spellcaster who lacks a high enough ability score to cast spells that would otherwise be his or her due still gets the slots but must fill them with spells of lower level.

Bye
Thanee

Kaledor · Oct 28, 2005

Peter Gibbons said:
Yes.

In fact, if his Intelligence happens to be 13, that's the only use of his 4th level slot(s) he's going to get.

Good point!
Thanks.

Kaledor · Oct 28, 2005

Thanee said:
Here's the SRD bit...

Bye
Thanee

Thanks!!
I thought I had read that section of the SRD

... must not have read it close enough

Thanks for the quick answers!

Hypersmurf · Oct 28, 2005

Kaledor said:
Can a wizard prepare a 3rd level spell in a 4th level spell slot WITHOUT the application of a metamagic feat?? Can my wizard prepare a REGULAR lightning bolt in his 4th level slot?

Bear in mind that it's still treated as a 3rd level spell for purposes of things like Save DC, Globes of Invulnerability, and the like.

To make it an actual 4th level spell, you need to use Heighten Spell.

-Hyp.

Patryn of Elvenshae · Oct 28, 2005

Hypersmurf said:
To make it an actual 4th level spell, you need to use Heighten Spell.

... which, you'll note, carries the same restrictions on casting actual 4th-level spells (i.e., minimum of 14 in your casting stat).

Kaledor · Oct 28, 2005

Hypersmurf said:
Bear in mind that it's still treated as a 3rd level spell for purposes of things like Save DC, Globes of Invulnerability, and the like.

To make it an actual 4th level spell, you need to use Heighten Spell.

-Hyp.

Yeah, I figured that. Since the 4th level slot doesn't change the spell, I figured it'd just like being an additional 3rd level slot. What would be nice is if you could take a 4th level slot and trade it for a 3rd and 1st or two 2nds or four 1sts... but that'd have to be a house rule... and then you'd have to actually determine equivallence of spell levels and such.

Hypersmurf · Oct 28, 2005

Kaledor said:
Yeah, I figured that. Since the 4th level slot doesn't change the spell, I figured it'd just like being an additional 3rd level slot. What would be nice is if you could take a 4th level slot and trade it for a 3rd and 1st or two 2nds or four 1sts... but that'd have to be a house rule... and then you'd have to actually determine equivallence of spell levels and such.

See Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer.

Trade a 4th level spell for three spell levels of lower level spells.

-Hyp.

Rassilon · Oct 29, 2005

Hypersmurf said:
See Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer.

Trade a 4th level spell for three spell levels of lower level spells.

Also, there are a few feats around that let you do something like breaking up the spell slots. I think one was in Lost Empires of Faerun, and I'm sure I've seen another one somewhere.

The nice thing about Rary's is if you know that you are really going to need an extra 10 fireballs today, and you have the cash, 10 scrolls of Rary's later . . .

Rassilon.

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