HeavenShallBurn
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Seeing this just reinforces my opinion that 4e is not my D&D.
Ampersand: Sneak Attack
Doug McCrae
Legend
w00t! Crunchtastic.
Fixed hit points are my favourite bit. At last D&D's going to step out of the 1970s.
I figure there must be a lot more rogue powers, they just printed a small selection.
Fixed hit points are my favourite bit. At last D&D's going to step out of the 1970s.
I figure there must be a lot more rogue powers, they just printed a small selection.
Fallen Seraph
First Post
Doug McCrae said:
Yeah I think so too, especially since it goes from:
Tumble
Rogue Utility 2
TO
Crimson Edge
Rogue Attack 9
If one assumes that is the level you get them at we got at the very least 7 levels missing of powers, and probably more before level 2 as well.
Almacov
First Post
ainatan said:
You'd probably still have to hit with the poison as a followup attack vs fortitude, if DDM is any indication.
Seems plausible that it may at least automatically initiate that though, yeah.
Unless of course the wording for poison is "If the melee/ranged attack hits, make a followup attack vs fortitude to see if the poison is effective." That would spoil your fun there.
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CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
"Oh noes! Rogues can has shrikens! D&D has been ruined by anime!" Just kidding. That's easy enough to houserule right off my table (you say "shuriken," I say "throwing knife.") Not a deal-breaker.
I am very excited. Very pleased indeed.
Some of my favorite bits:
- Fixed HP per level (at last!)
- Fixed the sneak attack damage scale
- Summed up many battlefield conditions into a single one called "Combat Advantage"
- Positioning Strike sounds like fun, especially near a cliff. Or lava.
Some of my not-so-favorite bits:
- Shurikens
- Crimson Edge
- Sneak attack restricted to only light blades, crossbows, and slings.
Some unanswered questions that will haunt me until the PHB is released:
- What about nonlethal/subdual damage? Can my rogue still knock the snot out of his opponents with a sap, knock them unconscious, and thereby capture them without killing them? Because that's a good time.
- What is the difference between moving and shifting?
- (The big one) What circumstances grant Combat Advantage?
I am very excited. Very pleased indeed.
Some of my favorite bits:
- Fixed HP per level (at last!)
- Fixed the sneak attack damage scale
- Summed up many battlefield conditions into a single one called "Combat Advantage"
- Positioning Strike sounds like fun, especially near a cliff. Or lava.
Some of my not-so-favorite bits:
- Shurikens
- Crimson Edge
- Sneak attack restricted to only light blades, crossbows, and slings.
Some unanswered questions that will haunt me until the PHB is released:
- What about nonlethal/subdual damage? Can my rogue still knock the snot out of his opponents with a sap, knock them unconscious, and thereby capture them without killing them? Because that's a good time.
- What is the difference between moving and shifting?
- (The big one) What circumstances grant Combat Advantage?
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Dr. Strangemonkey
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Vayden said:
It's worth noting that this writeup in fact says nothing at all about level progressions.
Except of course that Rogue Attack 1 & 9 and Rogue Utility 2 look like some sort of progression based requirement. A delicious one, that no doubt tastes wonderful with multi-classing.
This just looks awesome. I'm really pleased beyond all expectations.
And very pleased that I called the favored races (is that even a term) for the rogues when beginning to do the write ups for my inevitable homebrew TM. Though I think I will read any mention of the word shuriken as 'generic small bladed throwing weapon.' I really like that they're starting with a mixed culture perspective so there are no more monk kama/druid sickle splits, but I'm probably going to be using a less mixed cultural perspective so there you are. On the other hand, it may be that I just hate shuriken from 3.X and that in this edition they will be awesome.
That's a great illustration, too, the new Halfling grew on me by 1.5 feet with that picture alone.
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Flat hp=very, very good
Massive array of melee attacks that don't target AC: :\
I'm guessing that NPCs don't get such, or Defenders are going to have massive issues.
Attacks that force (lots) of movement: again, PC only or Defenders are going to *cry*.
If the above holds, any remaining whisper of a hope of NPC/PC transparency fades (and by that I mean making NPCs with PC rules). Forget NPC abilities that would break the game if PCs got them, the rogue abilities threaten to break the game if *NPCs* got them.
Melee PCs are never, ever, going to make a normal attack. But we kind of already knew that. As noted above, the int/skill thing is interesting. It wouldn't completely shock me if int gave skills, but from the full, rather than class, skill list.
Massive array of melee attacks that don't target AC: :\
I'm guessing that NPCs don't get such, or Defenders are going to have massive issues.
Attacks that force (lots) of movement: again, PC only or Defenders are going to *cry*.
If the above holds, any remaining whisper of a hope of NPC/PC transparency fades (and by that I mean making NPCs with PC rules). Forget NPC abilities that would break the game if PCs got them, the rogue abilities threaten to break the game if *NPCs* got them.
Melee PCs are never, ever, going to make a normal attack. But we kind of already knew that. As noted above, the int/skill thing is interesting. It wouldn't completely shock me if int gave skills, but from the full, rather than class, skill list.
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