Cloak of Invisibility: Best item in the game?

Zurai

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So, Cloaks of Invisibility give you the normal Neck slot +Enhancement to Fort/Ref/Will defenses, and a daily power. Its daily power is invisibility until end of the encounter, until 5 minutes passes, or until you're hit by a melee or ranged attack.

On the surface, that seems kinda "so what?". But now, go look up the definition of Invisibility. In 4E, you do not lose Invisible status except under the circumstances listed in the power. Now look through the Monster Manual and count how many monsters have Tremorsense, Blindsight, or can see invisible creatures. There are very few; even Dragons only have darkvision. A few Demons have truesight 6, a couple creatures have tremorsense and blindsight.

Now add a Trained and Focused Stealth skill, and possibly armor or a ring that boosts Stealth, to prevent enemies from pinpointing you; remember, you can be pinpointed with a Perception vs Stealth check. However, even Orcus only has a +28 Perception. It's reasonably easy to get into the 30's for Stealth checks.

Now mix all that together and add in the fact that area-of-effect attacks don't drop your stealth, only melee and ranged attacks. Voila, nigh-invulnerable character. It's possible to solo Orcus with the right build and a Cloak of Invisibility, simply because he has no way to detect invisible characters. Yeah, he has that rechargeable close burst 10 explosion, but he's going to be targeting it blindly most of the time, and it's a 6-recharge.

Yeah, it's an Epic item and it should be Epic. It's also a Daily power, so only one use per day. The problem is that it's essentially a daily "I Win" button against the vast majority of the monsters in the MM. About the only thing I've seen that really has any reasonable chance against a Cloak of Invisibility is the Tarrasque, because it has a huge Blindsight range.

So, Cloak of Invisibility: Best item in the game? I think so.
 

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Oompa

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How can it be an insta win? When you make an attack, you become visible.. and then you cant use the item anymore..
 

Zurai

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Oompa said:
How can it be an insta win? When you make an attack, you become visible.. and then you cant use the item anymore..
Incorrect. Only Invisibility effects that specifically say you are no longer invisible if you attack carry that particular drawback. Invisibility in most cases is more akin to 3.5 greater invisibility than invisibility.
 

Lord Ernie

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I don't see the issue. This is an epic-level item we're talking about. Even if area attacks don't turn you visible, they still hit you, and even with a Stealth in the mid-30's, a +28 Perception check still has a decent chance to sense your presence. And if you're standing around being all invisible, Orcus takes his sweet time to kill your teammates, and then leaves if you're still annoying him with your attacks.
 

baberg

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It seems like +28 Perception should be more than enough to find you. Per p.281, when you end your turn invisible you make a Stealth check (assume you have +30 as you said, not sure if that's realistic for a level 30 or not). So at the end of your turn you roll d20 and add 30. So you've got a Stealth range of 31-50, average of 40.

Orcus has a passive perception of 38 (10+28), so 40% of the time Orcus knows which direction you're in (beating the check means you know a direction, beating by 10 means you know the square). On its turn it can use a Minor action to perform a Perception against your most recent Stealth check with the same consequences. All it takes is for you to roll poorly (4 or less, for 34) and Orcus to roll above average (16+) and he's got you pinpointed.

And even if you're not pinpointed, he's got you within a handful of squares anyways with just beating stealth. Or have I crunched the numbers wrong?
 

Oompa

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Uhm.. Invisble on phb 281 only say's you cant be seen, you get combat advantage and dont provoke OA's..

Invisibilty as an power, or even greater invisibility as an power both say that when you attack, you become visible..
 

Oompa said:
Uhm.. Invisble on phb 281 only say's you cant be seen, you get combat advantage and dont provoke OA's..

Invisibilty as an power, or even greater invisibility as an power both say that when you attack, you become visible..
And what does the item say? Does it say that you become visible if you attack? If not, then you dont.
 


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