Converting Oriental Adventures creatures

Cleon · Sep 29, 2010

freyar said:
Well, Cleon's saying that the gargantua could just slam the creature down, so it leaves the gargantua's hand at the same velocity already as it would if thrown a long distance. By that logic, the two cases should lead to the same damage. I think Fling would actually be the appropriate ability for what Cleon wants.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Change the name to Fling if it helps you sleep better.

In the real world they might take less damage from being hurled a long distance than a short one with the same initial velocity, since they'd be slowed by air resistance.

Shade · Sep 29, 2010

Cleon said:
Change the name to Fling if it helps you sleep better.

I'd sleep better if we used the fling ability, substituting in our damage and distances. In other words, cut out the bull rush business, since we have precedent without it that better fits a giant than the mammoth's toss.

Cleon · Sep 29, 2010

Shade said:
I'd sleep better if we used the fling ability, substituting in our damage and distances. In other words, cut out the bull rush business, since we have precedent without it that better fits a giant than the mammoth's toss.

That suits me fine, something like:

Fling (Ex): A humanoid gargantua who successfully grapples a foe two or more size categories smaller than itself can hurl the creature as a standard action. A flung creature travels up to 120 feet and takes 12d6 points of damage. A creature that is flung off a mountain takes this amount of damage or the appropriate falling damage, whichever is greater. The gargantua also can throw the flung creature as though it were a boulder. In this case, the flung creature takes 12d6+20 points of damage, and any opponent it strikes takes 4d8+20 points of damage.

Shade · Sep 29, 2010

Agreed!

Updated.

Cleon · Sep 29, 2010

Shade said:
Agreed!

Updated.

Where's the rock throwing & rock catching?

Shall we start on the skills.

Jump, Listen and Spot would seem a good start. Maybe some Intimidate and Survival (for tracking).

Shade · Sep 30, 2010

I'll add 'em.

Those skills appeal. Maybe Jump 5, Intimidate 10, Listen 13, Spot 13, Survival 12?

Feats: 17 (10 can be epic)
We've already discussed track.

After looking at other giants, here are some more suggestions:
Alertness, Awesome Blow, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (slam), Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Power Attack, Track

Taking those feat trees a bit further: Devastating Critical (slam), Epic Reflexes, Epic Will, Overwhelming Critical (slam)...

freyar · Oct 2, 2010

Well, unless we swap out some of the regular feats, there aren't any other Epic Feats that they qualify for and are interesting. So we might as well keep that list, I think. It works pretty well.

Cleon · Oct 3, 2010

freyar said:
Well, unless we swap out some of the regular feats, there aren't any other Epic Feats that they qualify for and are interesting. So we might as well keep that list, I think. It works pretty well.

I'd give them Dire Charge instead of one of those regular feats. Maybe swap it for Improved Sunder or Combat Reflexes?

Shade · Oct 4, 2010

Let's replace Combat Reflexes, as it isn't very useful for 'em.

Updated.

AC? The closest comparison, the mountain giant, has +29 natural armor.

CR? The mountain giant is woefully over-CRed at 26. WotC designers have recommended a revised CR of 16 for them. These guys aren't as tough as a CR 24 stone colossus.

Humanoid gargantua stand 80 to 100 feet tall and weigh x tons.