Converting prehistoric creatures
Cleon
Legend
Do you mean secondary as in "a standard attack treated as a secondary weapon" or "full attacks with 2 whips and a (secondary) slam" or "secondary slam as a standard attack, primary slam with Powerful Charge".
The last option might look something like:
Attack: Whip +11 melee (1d6+6) or slam +6 melee (1d8+3)
Full Attack: 2 whips +11 melee (1d6+6) or slam +11 melee (1d8+9)
A Marrella's slam attack is treated as a secondary weapon when it makes a standard attack, but is not penalized when it makes a full attack or a charge.
Powerful Charge (Ex): When a giant marrella charges, its slam attack deals 2d8+12 points of damage.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
I mean secondary as in the normal definition "Attacks with secondary natural weapons are less effective and are made with a –5 penalty on the attack roll, no matter how many there are. (Creatures with the Multiattack feat take only a –2 penalty on secondary attacks.) This penalty applies even when the creature makes a single attack with the secondary weapon as part of the attack action or as an attack of opportunity."
But I suppose you could maybe talk me into no penalty on a charge. I think it should have the penalty on a normal full attack, though.
But I suppose you could maybe talk me into no penalty on a charge. I think it should have the penalty on a normal full attack, though.
Cleon
Legend
So this:
Attack: Whip +11 melee (1d6+6) or slam +6 melee (1d8+3)
Full Attack: 2 whips +11 melee (1d6+6) or slam +6 melee (1d8+3)
Powerful Charge (Ex): When a giant marrella charges, its slam attack deals 2d8+12 points of damage and is treated as a primary natural weapon (+11 melee).
I could live with that, although I quite liked the "full slam" option.
Cleon
Legend
We've already got far too many creatures with Improved Grab, so I'd rather not add another one. Slamming foes with charging head-butts is its schtick.
Furthermore, I think of Marrella as being more of a scavenger than a predator.
Besides, if its whips have a 10 foot reach how would it have enough distance to charge an opponent it's grabbed with them?
Shade
Monster Junkie
That's not the strongest argument. That's like saying too many creatures have poison. Improved grab is simply one of those far-too-necessary abilities. Generally, if it has tentacle-like attacks, it'll have improved grab.
Now that's a better reason.
It wouldn't, under normal charging rules. But there are feats and other abilities that allow "partial charges". Still, I'm fine to drop this idea.
Cleon
Legend
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