Howdy amigo!
Hii! ^^
Always time for that later.
Ayup!
Indeed, got an acquaintance to lend it to me while I wait for my copy to arrive. Good stuf, surprisingly PS friendly too!
Speaking of Dahak, I recalled that Paizo is using him (and Apsu) as stand-ins for Tiamat/Bahamut in PF.
...or they could just make their own versions of Tiamat and Bahamut.
They kinda left it open to interpretation, taking some elements from the Enuma Elish, with (open to interpretation by the GM, of course) Apsu and Tiamat beign the first 2 gods. Dahak was one of their sons, and he turned into a destructive force, killing and tormenting mortals. Apsu came and battled him, but Tiamat betrayed him to heal Dahak, and Apsu was defeated and fled to the Material Plane where he continues to make a stand against his son and his spawn, the Chromatic dragons.
James Jacobs admitted to not wanting to "reimagine" Tiamat, as he is quite fond of the D&D version and prefers to leave it open fot individual GM's to use her.
...wait until you read the take on these characters from Pantheons of the Megaverse before deciding.
Yes, that WAS something. I can't get the image of Apsu as Eldritch Abomination out of my head
. Also, their version of Tiamat is surprisingly compatible with the D&D one. What do you think of this? Perhaps he shares a fate with other Elder beigns like Cronus, Uranus and Tharizdun (Cronus is imprisoned in Carceri, while Uranus id presumed dead. Tharizdun is imprisoned in a special Demiplane in the Deep Ethereal. Apsu coudl be dead, his divine corpse floating throuh the Astral, or perhaps he is imprisoned in one of the lost caverns of Agathion, in Pandemonium). Tiamat was his consort, and she was defeated by Marduk. Although she survived, she was left weakened enough she was "demoted" to Lesser deity status. She took her leave from the Mesopotamian Pantheon, turning to the prime world of Krynn, where, under the name of Takhisis, she managed to regain much of her power, climbing back to the ranks of Greater goddess. On Krynn is also where she ran afoul of Paladine/Bahamut, sparking an enmity that has extended to the present day across multiple planes and worlds.
What do you think?
Indde, but just look at things on a case by case basis.
I will, though IMO having both active seems redundant.
He's the god of magic, maybe he cloned himself.
Perhaps!
I like my 3E alignments too...though I prefer 4E's planes.
Well, PS is my second favourite campaign setting, so I'm sticking with it. That's the main reason I want to stick with PS canon as much as possible.
What is your opinion on the alignments of the pantheon as presented in L&L?
For those like Anu and Enlil I mean more Antagonists than outright 'evil'. A bit like Hera in Greek myth.
Yea, that's what I meant, I did find it a bit strange seing both of them in an antagonistic role. What led you to that conclusion?
The plan was for them to be Epic Player Characters (and NPCs).
Figured as much
. I'm also toying with the idea of integrating Gilgamesh into the pantheon as a Demigod, but as someone else pointed out to me, making him immortal would completely miss the point of his story. Then again, I'm thinking of giving him the Heracles treatment, beign elevated to godhood after his death, after all, he was already 67% god, wasn't he?
Here's some changes to the pantheon I though of while reading Pantheons of the Megaverse, I'd like to know what you think of them:
-Anshar (Lesser god): former king of the gods and father of Anu, now bitter and spiteful for losing his position and beign relegated as a minor member of the pantheon.
-Anu (Intermediate god): King of the gods after Anshar, abdicated in favor of Enlil as he grew disinterested in mortal afairs. Now counsels Marduk in his role as King of the gods.
-Dahak (Demigod): AKA Kingu/Kingsu, Tiamat's son, who led the demonic forces arranged against the Annunaki. After his and Tiamat's defeat, he was cast down into the Wells of Darkness in the Abyss, trapping him. With the weakening of the Mesopotamian pantheon, he has managed to reach beyond his prison, exerting some influence and attracting priests to his worship.
-Druaga (Greater god?): In this case, I'm coming from the fact that Druaga was an alias of the Zoroastrian Ahriman/Angra Manyu, along with the two serpents myth from Guide to Hell, making him an alias/aspect of Asmodeus, explaining his mastery over Devils. Asmodeus is working under this alias to increase his power/influence without drawing the attention of his nemesis, Jazirian/Ahura Mazda
-Enlil (Intermediate god): King of the gods after Anu, he abdicated in favour of Marduk as part of a deal when Marduk took care of Tiamat and her hordes. Still present in advisor position to Marduk.
-Enki (Intermediate or Greater god?): Killed/sealed Apsu and fathered Marduk to face Tiamat. Could be considered Marduk's vizier, god of knowledge, magic and water, with a soft spot for humanity (I'll just ignore the part where he was killed ^^)
-Girru (Lesser god): Not much change here, I think. A good god, unflinching in his crusade against evil.
-Ishtar (Greater goddess): the immensely popular goddess of love and war. Probably going by the book on this one too ^^
-Ki (Greater goddess): Goddess of nature and the earth, has kept herself pretty much aloof of the godly politics, tending to her charges.
-Marduk (Greater god): Crowned as King of the gods as part of a gambit by his father Enki after he beat back Tiamat and his hordes. The god of rulership and civilization.
-Nanna/Sin/Nanna-Sin?
(Lesser god): A fickle yet good natured deity, not caring much for the edicts of Enlil, the situation that did not change with Marduk's rise to power. Still he is an unflinching foe of evil, and will rally to calls to fight back any threat ot the pantheon and its worshippers.
-Nergal & Ereshkigal (Lesser and Intermadiate god, respectively): The gods of death, destruction and the underworld. They remained a neutral party during the war against Tiamat. They still maintain and adversarial relationship to the rest of the pantheon (Nergal particulary like to antagonize Marduk)
-Ramman (Lesser god): God of storms and thunder. Again I don't think much tinkering is necessary here.
-Utu (Intermediate god): God of the sun. I'm debating wether to leave him CG, or switch him to LG and drop his realm in Mechanus ^^
So, what do you think so far? Suggestions and feedback are greatly appreciated
