If it were universally clear what a good movie was, my wife and I would agree about which movies are good!
(I'll give her Nashville, though. And Wages of Fear. Two great films she introduced me to.)
Why Do Batman Fans Hate Christopher Nolan?
(I'll give her Nashville, though. And Wages of Fear. Two great films she introduced me to.)
Serendipity
Explorer
A combination of factors - Bane has never, out of the whole of Bat's rogues gallery of villains, ever especially grabbed me; not in the comics and not in other media. While quite like Tom Hardy as an actor, he has this unfortunate tendency to play villains in genre films that I don't care for. (No one should have to mention Nemesis on their resume really. Ever.) So herein the specific implementation didn't do it for me either, lots of which was very reminiscent of Knightfall (the character's first appearance in the comics IIRC).
TLDR - it succumbed to third film syndrome.
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Mustrum_Ridcully
Hero
- The Walking Dead (Pretty popular, but I stopped following it a while ago)
- Human Target (First Season Only, I enjoyed that one)
- Defiance (Computer Game and TV Show)
- The Cape (not that great of a show, to be honest)
- Caprica (the BSG:TNS prequel show)
- Marvel Agent of Shields
- Black Sails
- Da Vinci's Demons (the theme title is a musical palindrome even)
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And now back to the Nolan Batman. I liked him, and I don't care one bit how "authentic" he was to the comics or the Adam West Batman or whatever. They were good as movies and really made me aware of how interesting the Batman character actually is (or can be).
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sabrinathecat
Explorer
No problem.
A good movie has strong plot and character development (one of these MUST be the driving force for the rest).
It is internally consistent and abides by a set of rules. (Doesn't matter what those rules are, so long as they are consistent)
There should be some guiding principle (be it to illicit laughter, a cry for help, exposing something, forcing people to face and address an issue, what have you).
Good music helps
Looking pretty with awesome special effects comes in last. That's right, FX are great, but they come in LAST in priority. "Special Effects are a way to help you tell the story. If you have a movie that's all effects and no story, you would have a pretty boring movie" --rough paraphrase of George Lucas 1978 (oh, the irony)
There you go.
Good movie defined.
Thank Aristotle.
trappedslider
Legend
That's all in your opinion, FX is a big thing for me,that's mainly why i go to the movies. The story takes second place. Music is last for me, I don't care that much about music one way or another. As for a guiding principle, mindless entertainment works for me.
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sabrinathecat
Explorer
You must have loved the Prequel Trilogy then.
Submitted for your approval (hah!): Last Year at Marienbad, Metropolis, [Synecdoche, New York], The Holy Mountain, and, for good measure, most Hitchcock films.
Blazing Saddles.
What about films that do all of that and more, without a more narrow focus?
It sure does!
Black Narcissus, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Scarlet Empress, heck Speed Racer.
And now complicated a little...
Homicidal_Squirrel
Adventurer
I'm pretty sure a Batman movie with no special effects would be pretty crappy, regardless of how great the script is.
That guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near movies. He shouldn't be allowed to comment on movies or even see a movie.
All the things you mentioned are subjective. Also, Aristotle is overrated.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Hero
Too much talking. Heck, some of the talking scenes are the worst in the whole movie. Anakin and Padmé... *shudder*
Crank would be a better example. But even there, too much talking.
Except that, by those criteria, I think "Dumb and Dumber" may qualify as a "good movie".
Note that "strong", which you seem to be applying to plot and character development, is not well defined. What makes a strong plot? If it is strong, but stupid, is that okay? If the characters develop but remain insipid, is the movie still good?
You are free to define what you personally feel is a good movie. That's fine. Suggesting that your definition holds for *everyone* falls into hubris, I'm afraid.
In the original meaning - there is no accounting for taste. It is not mathematical, cannot be codified.
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