I can't find it right now on mobile at work, but someone mathed it all out and it made sense.
What bugs me is why no one used the magic flamey sword for heat.
It only lasts one round per level?
I can't find it right now on mobile at work, but someone mathed it all out and it made sense.
What bugs me is why no one used the magic flamey sword for heat.
I still enjoy the show. However, it's hard to not feel as though the quality of writing has dropped significantly since passing the point of being completely without the books. A lot of what made the show great was the small details which helped bring the fantasy setting to life.
I understand that the scope of the story is now bigger and more epic, so it makes sense to gloss over a lot of things. That being said, I feel as though the fight-logic is (at least to some extent) hurting the story by too often embracing what looks cool in a 10 second preview or a still shot rather than what actually feels narratively right while watching the show.
Is this what you are talking about?I can't find it right now on mobile at work, but someone mathed it all out and it made sense.
Maybe they did and we just didn't see it.What bugs me is why no one used the magic flamey sword for heat.
Ye I read him admitting his fudging which is why I silently slipped into a dark corner.Yeah, it only works if you accept that it took 5 days in total for Gendry to run back to the Wall, the raven to fly to Dragonstone, and then the dragons to fly back up past the Wall. But the director has admitted to fudging the timeline. It was only meant to be overnight. But he was hoping we'd be too enraptured by the fight scene to notice.
Maybe they did and we just didn't see it.
Yeah, that's the other thing. If they'd been stuck on that island for days, surely they would've noticed that Thoros had died (or was dying) before the last morning!If they had I can't imagine the corpse would be frozen.
This never really bugged me until now, its like my brain just glossed over it. I guess in Jon's case it could be Valerian steel or targaryn blood that lets him do it, as for everyone else I'm afraid "A wizard did it".Yeah, that's the other thing. If they'd been stuck on that island for days, surely they would've noticed that Thoros had died (or was dying) before the last morning!
As an aside, Richard Dormer says the sword really was on fire, and because of the tech needed to ignite it, it was heavier than usual, and he had to practice swinging it around so he didn't hurt anyone for real.
As another aside, one thing that bugs me about the wights in this show is how does hacking at one with a sword actually kill it? I get that smashing one of the more skeletal ones with a hammer so it literally falls apart would stop it, and I can accept that lighting one on fire will do the same, but surely just slicing it across the chest with a sword (which Jon et al appear to do on numerous occasions throughout the show, not just this episode) shouldn't be enough? In other shows, you get a bit of sciencey stuff about what animates a zombie, and then it makes sense that a headshot, for instance, will stop it ... but in this show, it's magic. Surely if the corpse is still capable of movement, it should keep going? How could a sword cut or stab be enough to de-animate it?
That could be it. When he stabbed that wight that was trying to get at Mormont, he wasn't wielding Longclaw, right? That time, it went down but then got up again, which is when Jon lit it on fire.This never really bugged me until now, its like my brain just glossed over it. I guess in Jon's case it could be Valerian steel or targaryn blood that lets him do it, as for everyone else I'm afraid "A wizard did it".
That could be it. When he stabbed that wight that was trying to get at Mormont, he wasn't wielding Longclaw, right? That time, it went down but then got up again, which is when Jon lit it on fire.
Speaking of that, he appeared to be hurt by the fire. Dany is immune to fire (and very hot water) but Jon appears not to be. But then Viserys wasn't either. So maybe not all Targaryens are. And since Jon was able to survive being dunked in an icy lake and a long ride home in sopping wet furs, maybe he is immune to cold?
Other thoughts:
I think it would've been a lot cooler (and made more sense) if the Night King had had those undead giants we saw earlier in the season haul Viserion's body out of the ice. Using massive chains that came out of nowhere was just lame. Where'd they get them from? Hardhome? What would the wildlings have needed all those massive chains for? And I guess the Night King ordered some of the wights to swim (or walk) down to the bottom of the lake to attach them to the dragon corpse?
I can't decide if the capture of the wight was just lazy writing or a deliberate trap on the part of the Night King. It was just too damn convenient that they found a lone patrol, and that when Jon killed the white walker leading the patrol, all but one wight de-animated. If it was deliberate, the Night King must have known they were coming and why. If it wasn't, well, that sure was convenient that the patrol happened to include exactly one wight that the walker hadn't animated itself.
Oh, and of course the Night King just happened to have some ice javelins on hand ... as if he was expecting dragons to show up. (Or maybe he was going to chuck them at Bran's ravens the next time they showed up?) If it turns out it was just his lucky day, I'll be surprised. I feel like he must be able to see the future like Bran. He certainly has some kind of magical vision powers, since he could see (and touch) Bran while he was remote viewing the walkers and their army that one time.
Fair enough. It's the middle of the night where I am. I got back from a D&D session a little while ago, and it always takes me some time to wind down enough to go to sleep.As much as I would love to multi quote this and pick it all apart because I love a good discussion, I don't think discussing GoT is a valid reason for being late to work.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't until sometime after that fight that Mormont gave Jon his sword. I'll have to go back and check.I honestly can't remember if it was Long claw or just some generic sword.
You're probably right. But still ...I think Jon simply has plotline immunity.
I just rewatched the scene. No gold goes over his nose or mouth (or even his eyes), and it's pretty obvious he's screaming from the pain of the intense heat. It probably melts his skull and cooks his brain or something. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Dany's fire immunity is meant to be unique to her. I don't know that any other Targaryens were known to be immune to fire. Also, I think in the books it was just a one-time thing, not a permanent immunity, but I'm not sure.Maybe Viserion wasn't her full brother or something? Did he die instantly? Maybe some got into his lungs and he suffocated as it hardened don't fully remember the scene.
That's an interesting idea. Or maybe the ritual the Children of the Forest used to turn him into the first white walker gave him three-eyed raven like powers. That flashback made it seem like he was just some random First Man that the children had captured.The night king definitely set that reverse ambush up and knew the dragons where coming, I mean he could of icelanced the group on the island at any time or made a ladder of corpses or anything. He knew, my personal theory is he is a corrupted 3 eyed raven or something along those lines.