Elves in forgotten realms and 5e - what is the official source?

Wrathamon · Jun 21, 2018

gyor said:
They didn't get rid of the 4e versions, Raven Queen is from 4e originally, as is there ability to teleport with resistance to damage. Maybe even some of the other stuff. So the merged the 4e and 3e origins, they split the difference between fey and human origins, and made them elves, humaniods with Elven Ancestory.

I just wish they'd offered more advise on integrating 5e Shadar Kai with the previous lore, in 4e Shadar Kai we're a big deal in the FR setting, and even appear in 5e novels.

I would suggest that Prince Riven made a deal with the Raven Queen, in exchange for Shadar Kai souls being reincarnated into the bodies of new born babies born to human parents with a link to the Shadowfell, such as to Shadovar parents, Riven would open a door way into the FR shadowfell, so the Raven Queen could spread her influence in FR.

I guess it was more accurate to say they merged the two. I meant that they got rid of the human part

gyor · Jun 21, 2018

Wrathamon said:
I guess it was more accurate to say they merged the two. I meant that they got rid of the human part

They got rid of them being human, but kept the basic concept of the Raven Queen, and some other stuff from 4e. Plus they added new twists for 5e.

MechaTarrasque · Jun 21, 2018

gyor said:
Deities that would destroy someone for merely being annoying are evil, it doesn't fit a Good deity.

Especially when you can just teleport them someplace else, and if they don't take the hint, the second place will be Carceni.

MechaTarrasque · Jun 21, 2018

gyor said:
The 5e DMG dealt with this by suggesting that Elves born on Arborea, the plane where Arvandor exists, are born celestial instead of humaniod or fey, which means Eladarin born their are celestials, but the twist is Drow, Shadar Kai, Avariel, High Elves, Wood Elves, and Sea Elves would also be born celestial on Arboria, which would lead to effectively new races of Celestial Elves.

So its weird.

Not really. After all, the DMG doesn't say the celestial elves have to stay in Aborea, and who wants to hang out with those pesky eladrin anyway? There are CN Drow in neighboring Ysgard, so a little migration solves that problem, not to mention you could migrate the high and/or wood elves to Alfheim. And obviously the Avarial take up music and green body paint and head over to Mt. Celestia (good career options for them there). Sea elves cover the novierre eladrin role, so they can stay. So the only weird ones are the SK's, and since they have an affinity for raven-themed deities, Ysgard migration handles that too.

gyor · Jun 21, 2018

MechaTarrasque said:
Not really. After all, the DMG doesn't say the celestial elves have to stay in Aborea, and who wants to hang out with those pesky eladrin anyway? There are CN Drow in neighboring Ysgard, so a little migration solves that problem, not to mention you could migrate the high and/or wood elves to Alfheim. And obviously the Avarial take up music and green body paint and head over to Mt. Celestia (good career options for them there). Sea elves cover the novierre eladrin role, so they can stay. So the only weird ones are the SK's, and since they have an affinity for raven-themed deities, Ysgard migration handles that too.

What about the ones who don't migrate?

MechaTarrasque · Jun 21, 2018

gyor said:
What about the ones who don't migrate?

Don't forget that Arborea isn't just another place for elves to hang around in, it is CG central, which means as long as you are acting CG, no one is going to freak out or make a big deal about it. They may even automatically mind zap any mortals who enter the realm so that they see all elves as eladrin to "prevent misunderstandings" (of course, the tourism board leaves out this little detail). Thus, with one little bit of hidden truth, everything fits and previous lore wasn't so much wrong as incomplete.