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    Scrying... SRD 3.5 typo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sovelior 3.5 SRD

    Divination (Scrying)

    Level: Brd 3, Clr 5, Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4 Components: V, S, M/DF, F Casting Time: 1 hour Range: See text

    Effect Magical sensor

    Duration: 1 min./level

    Saving Throw: Will negates

    Spell Resistance: Yes

    You can see and hear some creature, which may be at any distance. If the subject succeeds on a Will save, the scrying attempt simply fails. The difficulty of the save depends on how well you know the subject and what sort of physical connection (if any) you have to that creature. Furthermore, if the subject is on another plane, it gets a +5 bonus on its Will save.

    KnowledgeWill Save ModifierNone1+10Secondhand (you have heard of the subject)+5Firsthand (you have met the subject)+0Familiar (you know the subject well)–51 You must have some sort of connection to a creature you have no knowledge of.
    ConnectionWill Save ModifierLikeness or picture–2Possession or garment–4Body part, lock of hair, bit of nail, etc.–10

    If the save fails, you can see (but not hear) the subject and the subject’s immediate surroundings (approximately 10 feet in all directions of the subject). If the subject moves, the sensor follows at a speed of up to 150 feet.

    As with all divination (scrying) spells, the sensor has your full visual acuity, including any magical effects. In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message.

    If the save succeeds, you can’t attempt to scry on that subject again for at least 24 hours.

    Arcane Material Component: The eye of a hawk, an eagle, or a roc, plus nitric acid, copper, and zinc.

    Wizard, Sorcerer, or Bard Focus: A mirror of finely wrought and highly polished silver costing not less than 1,000 gp. The mirror must be at least 2 feet by 4 feet.

    Cleric Focus: A holy water font costing not less than 100 gp.

    Druid Focus: A natural pool of water.
    So what's it to be? Can or can one not hear through the scrying sensor when their target fails his will save?
    My player reasons that he can, I just don't know. I ruled that he could as otherwise a good plan would go to waste. But I'm still curious to what the definitive answer could be.
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    My communities:

    I am afraid that the first quote "you can see and hear" is a refuse from 3.0 and instead the second "you can see but not hear" is the correct one, at least it was added specifically by 3.5 IIRC.

    On the other hand, Greater Scrying allows Tongues to be cast through it, which may indicate that you can hear, but it could be only because you can use a Message via Scrying.

    edit: now that I think about it, I wonder how they included Tongues at all, since you would need to cast it on yourself (which you could be doing also with "lesser" scrying, or otherwise touch the target (which you can't even with greater scrying)...
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    Scry has been errated/explained/corrected/whatever somewhere, talking about this issue. Matbe in the latest Dragon.
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    This was addressed in the 3.5 PHB errata.

    "see (but not hear)" should be "see and hear".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHB Errata
    Player's Handbook, page 274
    Descriptive text contradict itself on whether the spell allows hearing as well as vision. Change "If the save fails, you can see (but not hear)" to "If the save fails, you can see and hear"
    Whoops... should have looked a tad bit further than the lenght of my nose... :rolleyes:
    Although they should have updated the SRD as well...
    Last edited by Allanon; Wednesday, 29th October, 2003 at 03:02 PM.
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