[Adult] Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, thread 2

What is RvW?

somehow, I am a bit old-fashioned, it seems. In my campaigns, you receive XP for completing tasks (what ever that means), for good role-playing and for killing (OK, overcoming foes).
But it does not matter, how you name it, the problem remains, that, as soon as we put something into the guide, that concerns abortion, we better hope, that some of the darker elements in US-society do not lay hands on the guide. (thank god, the server is somewhere else). And I write this knowing, that the whole guide will bother a lot of mothers over there.
That is not to say, that I would argue against giving XP for abortion.
Your points are very much valid.

How about someone writing a chapter about XP for sex, pregnancy, abortion etc?
And afterwards we discuss, what is written, and not, what is not written.

RvW: Roe vs. Wade. Going any further on that reference will likely turn this into a massive flame war. That's the Supreme Court case that legalized abortion in the US.


D20 officially gives XP for surviving traps and other dangerous challenges. That's the precident involved for abortion.

The precident for pregnancy is both surviving a trap and going through a massive life changing and growing experience.

There is no need in the book to discuss anything. It can simply be presented as a series of trap DCs and CRs and modifiers to the DC based on health:

Pregnancy and abortion for d20
Here's some ultra rough rules (come up with on the spur of the moment).

Mother on good diet: +2
Mother on normal diet +0
Mother on poor diet: -2
Mother malnurished: -4
Mother in low stress environment: +2
Mother in normal environment: +0
Mother in high stress environment: -2
Also add Con bonus/penalty
Some other mods based on midwife assistance and magical aids.
(perhaps a midwife lets you take 10 on the roll)

Roll the DC monthly to check status of pregnancy. Use the 'lamaze/midwifery skill' which is a CON based class skill for all women (cross class for men, class for cleric and druid (and some experts)). Others can Aid in the check (the mid wife or mate for instance).

Heal gives a synergy bonus.

The CR is based on age of mother, as is the base DC.

(those DC numbers may need adjusting)
Modify age as appropriate for species, the above is human.

Failure causes 1d6 damage to the mother and child. Which could result in miscarraige (perhaps we assume the child has 1 hit point plus Con mod of mother for these purposes).
Failure also results in fort saves for both mother and child (DC as above).
A failed save for the child results in a permanent loss of 1d4 stat points.
A failed save for the mother results in a permanent loss of 1 point to Con or Str.

If a mother loses 2 stat points throughout a pregnancy it results in a misscarraige and her womb going barren.


Abortion:
Is a trap DC. 5 higher than the DCs for pregnancy above. Failure results in 1d6 immediate damage and 2d6 secondary 4 hours later.
The CR is also like that for pregnancy, as are the modifiers.
If the DC is failed a fort save at DC 15 is required; if it is failed the woman's womb goes barren.


XP is derived using the trap rules for a given CR.


These rules of course need refinement. For one thing they need some kind of modifiers to account for the variation in different trimesters of pregnancy. Off hand I don't recall which trimesters incur the greatest risks.

@Tanilen: I should be free Friday evening/Saturday morning for some playtesting. Are you available?

Friday night? i'll be there! If you could, please e-mail me your character(s) ahead of time, and whatever kind of scenario you wanted to playtest, so i can prepare.

@arcady: i like your rules. (although I still think, a trap differs "slightly" from an voluntary abortion, and therefore would not count that as precedent (but I am not bothered about giving XP for an abortion, only by the implications)). Well, what to do about the other pregnancy rules? Nothing flat there, just some rolls throughout.

@all: seen the news about Book of Vile Darkness? Very interesting. Prostitution.

Um... heyho. At the risk of sounding like a pathetic newbie, hi, I'm new around here ^^ I got referred to this particular thread from the D&D newsgroup, when some of my "adult" art was referenced there, and it was suggested that I might want to see if you'd like any of it for the uck book. So, um, here're some URLs if you feel like taking a look - I don't know if my anime/manga-style stuff is what you're after, but it can't hurt to try, ne? ^^

Oh yeah - it's kinda obvious from the topic and all, but this is all evil smutty stuff! Mature viewers only, yanno? ^_^

http://fly.to/namida - That's my adult page, if you wanna skip these individual links and look at the lot.

http://welcome.to/FLStudios - Yeah, I also do clean stuff ^^;;;;

Individual links:

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/kelfinger.gif - Kel and Lloryn, a couple of characters from a very twisted Ravenloft campaign. This pic is female/female - the elf is actually male, but hey, 'Polymorph' is your god ^^

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/landrbond.jpg - Nother D&D character. This didn't actually come to pass, but it was spurred by a campaign setting that had our party indebted to a curious young gold dragon. This pic's male/male, with added bondagey goodness.

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/shebond1.jpg - Actually a fanart of Sheik from the Legend of Zelda ^^; 'Tis bondage again.

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/kelgrope2.gif - Kel an' Lloryn again, the latter once again in female form.

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/maraven.gif - Bloody Mary and Raven, pirate and cabin boy. My D&D characters have an unholy tendency to get involved in this kind of stuff.

http://shatteredreality.net/foxlee/nnt/darksiren.gif - Gift art fur a friend, weird sorta half-demon-angel sketch. *Shrugs* Make of it what you will ^^

Okeh, that's enough of that, sorry for taking up so much space ^^; ... Any comments? Would you do me the honour of using my work? ^^

Nice stuff there.
No problem with the space (g)

Fox: Great stuff. I am sure I can find a worthy spot for your artwork.

Fox: really really nice pics.

And you are welcome with comments and opinions on our work too.

The "Silliness" factor?

While reading the thread on the general board about the upcoming Book of Vile Darkness, I've noticed a number of people saying that they'd avoid something like this guide because of the immaturity that is associated with it. They're more interested, they say, on a guide that focuses on the more serious and/or spiritual sides of sex in a gaming world.

Honestly, I can't say I blame them.

That said, I think we've got a lot of good material in the guide. Sections on pregnancy and prostitution are good, and the sexual metamagic feats are good too. We've also got a lot of spells that are aimed towards seduction, contraception, midwifery, and the like -- all of which could easily fit into a "serious" campaign with nary a problem.

Of course, we've also got "Prismatic Dildo", the Pimp prestige class, and the Strap-On of Astounding.

We've already got a hentai web enhancement in the works, so what about the possibility of moving the more tongue-in-cheek elements of the guide into that enhancement. Let the main guide focus on the more "real world" aspects of sex (with a fantasy twist, of course), and let the enhancement deal with the more outrageous aspects and items. That way, the guide is divided more along the lines of what people want - a serious guide for the more serious games, and a humorous add-on for people who want a laugh.

Ideas, comments, criticisms?