Courtesy of Paizo's Jason Bulmahn on the Twitters -- "This is my 5,000th tweet and I can not think of a finer thing to show than this glorious book finally landing on my shelf. The team really outdid themselves on this. I can't wait for all of you to see it!"
THIS Is The Pathfinder Playtest Rulebook!
Courtesy of Paizo's Jason Bulmahn on the Twitters -- "This is my 5,000th tweet and I can not think of a finer thing to show than this glorious book finally landing on my shelf. The team really outdid themselves on this. I can't wait for all of you to see it!"
Superchunk77
Adventurer
I'll check out the free PDF. After playing 5e for a few months I'm already bored with it so this might be a good alternative.
S
Sunseeker
Guest
THIS. Seriously folks.
The only concern a print gives me is that since they've gone through the effort to make this physical thing, they'll be less inclined to fix/alter the rules.
So I hope that between Playtest and Launch, I can see some changes (beyond fixing typos and such).
Honestly, what needs to happen is this.
1. PDF costs X
2. Hardcover costs X + Markup.
Buy the PDF, if you want the hardcover pay for it. As errata get rolled out, the PDF automatically gets upgraded to the new errata.. and you can re-download it. If you want an updated hardcover, pay for it again. Being honest, I feel this is more or less how it is now, but there's no way to print on demand an updated book with all errata included for most publishers.
The real change needs to be access to the play testers and employees of the firm. If you want to drive a sub model, then make all the freebie rules clarification and sage advice stuff plus more UA and other content behind a paywall. The folks that paid for it would subsidize the time between editions.
I'm sure WoTC tried some of this with an insider sub, but the problem in my mind with Insider was that it was chained to 4E, which didn't have the best reputation to begin with and made Insider's flaws more glaring.
If you did the Insider model well with the right game behind it.. it would be fine and perhaps all the silly interpretations that come out of things like sage advice would be higher quality.
I know I wouldn't want to spend time answering player questions if it wasn't driving profit on some level and I'd treat it as a distraction rather than a boon.
1. PDF costs X
2. Hardcover costs X + Markup.
Buy the PDF, if you want the hardcover pay for it. As errata get rolled out, the PDF automatically gets upgraded to the new errata.. and you can re-download it. If you want an updated hardcover, pay for it again. Being honest, I feel this is more or less how it is now, but there's no way to print on demand an updated book with all errata included for most publishers.
The real change needs to be access to the play testers and employees of the firm. If you want to drive a sub model, then make all the freebie rules clarification and sage advice stuff plus more UA and other content behind a paywall. The folks that paid for it would subsidize the time between editions.
I'm sure WoTC tried some of this with an insider sub, but the problem in my mind with Insider was that it was chained to 4E, which didn't have the best reputation to begin with and made Insider's flaws more glaring.
If you did the Insider model well with the right game behind it.. it would be fine and perhaps all the silly interpretations that come out of things like sage advice would be higher quality.
I know I wouldn't want to spend time answering player questions if it wasn't driving profit on some level and I'd treat it as a distraction rather than a boon.
Right. The playtest books are going to be limited run - they'll sell those out quickly even though the books are going to be available as free pdfs.
And if they want to keep their reputation as a company intact, they will incorporate feedback from the playtests into the final game somehow. If they get a bunch of complaints about something and they don't at least tweak it before publication, everyone will wonder what the point of the playtest was if they were just going to be ignored.
And, frankly, Paizo would be idiots to put this out as a finished game but pretend it was a playtest anyway. They're going to get massive amounts of feedback on things that are either broken or disliked about the game - it's a guarantee for any playtest. Just outright ignoring those would be the worst kind of marketing decision.
Now there will likely be a lot of things that people don't like that DON'T get changed. But if so, it will be because there are more people who like them than don't. I guarantee that almost everyone who playtests will find something they don't like, but what one person doesn't like another person may love. That's part of why you have open playtesting.
Both WoTC and Paizo have announcements for releases MONTHS in advance. WoTC is about 3 months for the actual release to release date with a month or so of teasers. It's working for them it seems based on sales and video watches, etc. paizo just says our next hardcover is "blank book" 6 to 9 months before it's release, most times a month later from the initial post they update with the actually cover. Both work for their respectively audiences. For me when our group was playing pathfinder, the lead time and amount of stuff they put out, couldn't remember when books were releasing as 2 months after the first release blog post, theirs next book was announced, 9 months out. Not hard core enough to keep up that far in advance and I like the 3 or so month reveal with WoTC and it keeps my buyer attention and something to look forward to around the corner time wise.
i'd doomlioe Jester mentions, print the free PDF to then mark up. I've bought way to many game systems just to read in my 30+ years that I've never played but still enjoyed to read and mine from. I'll do the same with the final product I'm sure when it arrives.
i'd doomlioe Jester mentions, print the free PDF to then mark up. I've bought way to many game systems just to read in my 30+ years that I've never played but still enjoyed to read and mine from. I'll do the same with the final product I'm sure when it arrives.
Henry
Autoexreginated
Jason Buhlman, the lead designer replied to someone who asked a question very similar to this at Paizocon; he replied that he personally completely re-wrote the Fighter class from ground up in the PF1 playtest back in 2008. “no big deal, just throw out your 5,000-word manuscript, is all!” He joked (or words to that effect). Sounds to me like they are pretty serious about getting this right.
It was this one, I believe?
http://knowdirectionpodcast.com/201...troduction-to-the-pathfinder-playtest-and-qa/
mach1.9pants
Hero
Not where I live in NZ, it won't be cheaper!
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