Is celestial vermin not mindless anymore?

paranoid · Oct 13, 2003

from the SRD:

CELESTIAL CREATURE
Abilities: Same as the base creature, but Intelligence is at least 3.

and

Vermin Traits: Vermin possess the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).
—Mindless: No Intelligence score, and immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).

So does a Celestial giant fire beetle lose its mindless trait?

And can it speak a language? If yes, which one(s)?

-p.

Gez · Oct 13, 2003

Animals and vermins with the celestial templates become magical beast.

Thus they stop being vermins, and lose vermin traits.

As they aquire a mind, they stop being mindless.

Unless you make them zombie celestial spiders, of course.

(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

Argent Silvermage · Oct 13, 2003

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that Celestial template could only be applied to an int 2 or higher being.

Pielorinho · Oct 13, 2003

Gez said:
(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

What about the Vengeful Butterflies of Sunshine and Happiness?

The Warrior Ladybugs of the Light?

And then there was that movie all about celestial vermin: Angels and Insects.

Daniel

Particle_Man · Oct 13, 2003

Gez said:
(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

There are people that cannot accept the fact the Charlotte the spider is really gone. Sorry Wilbur!

paranoid · Oct 13, 2003

Gez said:
Animals and vermins with the celestial templates become magical beast.

Thus they stop being vermins, and lose vermin traits.

As they aquire a mind, they stop being mindless.

Sounds logical. But do they speak, then?

Gez said:
(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

The Celestial giant fire beetle is an example from the Summon Monster I list.

-p.

AuraSeer · Oct 13, 2003

paranoid said:
Sounds logical. But do they speak, then?

No, the celestial template doesn't add languages. I suppose they could put skill points into Speak Language, if the DM agrees, since Int 3 is the low end of "a creature with humanlike intelligence."

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