Is celestial vermin not mindless anymore?

[paranoid]

from the SRD:

CELESTIAL CREATURE
Abilities: Same as the base creature, but Intelligence is at least 3.

and

Vermin Traits: Vermin possess the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).
—Mindless: No Intelligence score, and immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).

So does a Celestial giant fire beetle lose its mindless trait?

And can it speak a language? If yes, which one(s)?

-p.

 

[Gez]

Animals and vermins with the celestial templates become magical beast.

Thus they stop being vermins, and lose vermin traits.

As they aquire a mind, they stop being mindless.

Unless you make them zombie celestial spiders, of course.

(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

 

[Argent Silvermage]

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that Celestial template could only be applied to an int 2 or higher being.

 

[Pielorinho]

(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

What about the Vengeful Butterflies of Sunshine and Happiness?

The Warrior Ladybugs of the Light?

And then there was that movie all about celestial vermin: Angels and Insects.

Daniel

 

[Particle_Man]

(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

There are people that cannot accept the fact the Charlotte the spider is really gone. Sorry Wilbur!

 

[paranoid]

Animals and vermins with the celestial templates become magical beast.

Thus they stop being vermins, and lose vermin traits.

As they aquire a mind, they stop being mindless.

Sounds logical. But do they speak, then?

(I just can't understand why everyone want celestial vermins. The template for them is usually rather fiendish.)

The Celestial giant fire beetle is an example from the Summon Monster I list.

-p.

 

[AuraSeer]

Sounds logical. But do they speak, then?

No, the celestial template doesn't add languages. I suppose they could put skill points into Speak Language, if the DM agrees, since Int 3 is the low end of "a creature with humanlike intelligence."