Customized Rules System (CRS) and Customized Campaign Setting (CCS)

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Cergorach

The Laughing One
Before voting in the poll above, please read the first post.

These are some ideas i've been playing with, don't interpret these as promises, because they are just ideas for now and depending on the time i have they can be realised or not. I'm interested in what people think of these ideas, have specific suggestions, additional ideas, etc. Don't be a stranger and post what you think!

Customizable Rules System (CRS)
With so many D20 and OGL products out there, people have a hard time integrating everything they want into one consistent rules system or campaign setting. The group i'm currently playing with is not using Prestige Classes, but we do use a lot of feats and spells not in the core books. The stuff we do use is spread out over a couple of dozen books, that's thousands of pages worth of information, but we only use a fraction of that information for the rules in our games. Compiling a comprehensive catalog of all the spells, feats, rules, etc. we do use is a lot of work and that got me thinking, why not create a CRS? I was already thinking up ways to create a good OGC rules database (with feats, spells, monsters, etc.), why not use it right away to make it do something useful? Like dynamically generating a rulebook with all the rules you and your players want to use.

Customizable Campaign Setting (CCS)
That got me thinking even further, there are so many source books with good campaign options that integrating those into one campaign setting is also a lot of work. Just like CRS, CCS would enable DMs and players alike to put their own setting together. If, for example, you want to use the Gods of the Tree (Green Ronin; BotR) with Airships and Doom Striders (BastionPress) in a basic campaign, the CCS would produce a campaignsetting document with all the seperate ideas woven into one document.

Customizable Adventure (CA)
Most modern adventures already have notes detailing how to make an adventure compatible with higher or lower level parties, but this still requires some manual labor (adjusting the stats). Automatic statistic generation would be simple for a database driven tool, what would be even more interesting would be alternate story arcs, is the bad guy really a bad guy, or just misguided? Alternate endings, different encounters, etc.

How would it work?
OGC would be stored in an online database, users would be able to browse through all this content. Users would be able to make profiles (that can be stored on the server), each profile would be a different campaign setting, rules setting, or adventure that could be customized to the users wishes. Profiles could be shared between different users, popular profiles could be posted for beginning DMs/players for an instant setting/system/adventure. OGC would be available in modular pieces, feats, classes, spells, monsters, etc. are simple and straight forward pieces. But a combat or magic system would need to be made more modular. A user would be able to add each individual piece to his prefered profile, some pieces don't fit together (i'll need to figure out a system of dependecies), the user will be notified which pieces don't fit together and which of the pieces he'll want to use for this profile. Another method (maybe a combination of the two would work best) would be to use a question and answer system that guides the user through questions and dependant on the answers asks other questions (do you want to use Prestige Clases, if yes: which ones, if no: go to next question), the end result would be an customized rules system, cmpaign setting, or adventure.

The real power of this system would be when the 'different' systems are used together, a CRS profile linked to a CCS profile would mean that the campaign setting would incorporate things like classes, monsters, items, etc. in the setting. A CRS profile linked to a CA profile would indicate what options could be used and make apropriate adjustments dependant on the CRS profile.

Status?
Well, this system would be big and the content for it would be even bigger, it would be a LOT of work. Spells, feats, (prestige) classes, monsters, etc. can be easily added. More complex things, like new rules, would entail more work. I'm planning on starting with what's in the SRD, the OGC from UA and the OGC from some other sources (such as Green Ronin's BotR).

Chances are that i'll start with small pdfs that can be grouped together to get the rules you'll want. See also Books in binder format, opinions needed. (aka. Why does Psion hate landscape PDFs?)for presentation of the final product made by this system.
 
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Okay, let me see if I understand this.

This sounds like you would be taking the SRD and a bunch of OGL material.

You would break the various rules and background material, developing short sections that could be included (or not) in a binder.

This sounds very similar to Harn, in that regard, though for a different system. Not a half-bad model, actually.

How you divide the rules would be one of the biggest questions -- how far do you break down combat sections, for example?

PrCs, character classes, and races break down very easily. Spells might be another matter. And as for setting material, this might be very difficult to breakdown as many bits of background material are inter-related with other points.

Hmmm, I have to think about this and come back with more comments.
 

Cergorach said:
Customizable Adventure (CA)
Most modern adventures already have notes detailing how to make an adventure compatible with higher or lower level parties, but this still requires some manual labor (adjusting the stats). Automatic statistic generation would be simple for a database driven tool, what would be even more interesting would be alternate story arcs, is the bad guy really a bad guy, or just misguided? Alternate endings, different encounters, etc.
Have you seen this website?
 


Cergorach said:
Compiling a comprehensive catalog of all the spells, feats, rules, etc. we do use is a lot of work and that got me thinking, why not create a CRS? I was already thinking up ways to create a good OGC rules database (with feats, spells, monsters, etc.),
You do realize you are not the first to want to create a OGC database, right? Do you also realize that there is no such thing as of yet? You might want to inquire from those who've tried it why it hasn't taken off. I was going to direct you to ogexchange.com but it's now just an Under Construction banner. Go to google's cache to see what it once was.
 

jmucchiello said:
You might want to inquire from those who've tried it why it hasn't taken off.
The various OGC directories haven't taken off (1) because they're not easy to get to, (2) because it's a lot of work to get everything in a good format, and (3) because no one wants to join someone else's project.

I've just about got my PC working the way I want it, with OOo just about configured to do everything I need it to--edit the books, and spit out WORD and DOC files. When I get home, i think I'm going to spend a few hours getting Struthian's contributions into the main form, and pester the fearless leader as to what happened to our webhost--again.

Cergorach, if you would be willing to help out, I'd love to have another dedicated person working with the PRD. Join our e-group, (FGA-Prometheus), contribute what you can, and we'll get this behemoth of a topic out sooner rather than later.
 

What I want is a personal database of all feats, spells and such that I have. So I can gather and submit all the feats, spells etc I have access to in one section.
 
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jmucchiello said:
You do realize you are not the first to want to create a OGC database, right?
Yes i know.
Do you also realize that there is no such thing as of yet?
Yes i realize, the problem was that they wanted to do everything all at once and didn't add any functionality to the OGC database. Not to mention that a lot of projects wanted to please everyone, both the users and the publishers.

You might want to inquire from those who've tried it why it hasn't taken off. I was going to direct you to ogexchange.com but it's now just an Under Construction banner. Go to google's cache to see what it once was.
I know of the place, a noble intend but it didn't really take off...

Planesdragon said:
The various OGC directories haven't taken off (1) because they're not easy to get to, (2) because it's a lot of work to get everything in a good format, and (3) because no one wants to join someone else's project.
1.) Some advertisemnet would be in order.
2.) Yes it is, and wanting to do everything at once is a bad idea.
3.) Yes this is a problem, i'm afraid that i'm going to add to the problem ;-)

Cergorach, if you would be willing to help out, I'd love to have another dedicated person working with the PRD. Join our e-group, (FGA-Prometheus), contribute what you can, and we'll get this behemoth of a topic out sooner rather than later.
I'm willing to help in so far as to make the OGC available on my website of certain books (UA, BotR, FoB), if you want to add this to your own website be my guest, it's what it's there for (to be shared by all). I've looked at your website before and seen the discussions, but your project isn't for me, i've got some things planned for my site that the OGC database is only part of, sorry.

ecliptic said:
What I want is a personal database of all feats, spells and such that I have. So I can gather and submit all the feats, spells etc I have access to in one section.
I have thought of this, but i'm not yet sure how to make this work without making a huge mess of the database. Imagine a couple of thousand users entering the same damned feat, but each entery is effectively a new feat. I also want people to be able to share custom content, but what's stopping people then from entering all non OGC WotC books and sharing them? I'll have to take a look at my legal position (being hosted in the netherlands means i'm bound by different laws then when hosted in the us for example).
 
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Cergorach said:
I'm willing to help in so far as to make the OGC available on my website of certain books (UA, BotR, FoB), if you want to add this to your own website be my guest, it's what it's there for (to be shared by all). I've looked at your website before and seen the discussions, but your project isn't for me, i've got some things planned for my site that the OGC database is only part of, sorry.
O.K. by me. I more than understand that everyone wants to do their own thing.

But what I think the best thing for everyone to do is to make the projects as compatable as possible--so that, for example, we don't all spend three days formatting the spells the way we want them.

The d20-XML yahoo-group seems to have put the most thought into this. I believe that we'd all benefit from having a consistent naming system and way to refer to a particular skill or feat out of a particular book.
 

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