Books in binder format, opinions needed. (aka. Why does Psion hate landscape PDFs?)

What kind of binder would you go for...


Cergorach

The Laughing One
Before voting in the poll above, please read the first post.

While thinking up the Customized Rules System (CRS) and Customized Campaign Setting (CCS) i was also thinking up ways how this would work in print. What i came up with was a binder with short sections (couple of pages) that could be inserted or removed depending on the wishes of the DM. Some of you might remember the first edition of Aeon (later renamed to Trinity), it was done in a sort of 'permanent' binder (by permanent i mean that it's very difficult to remove or add pages).

The advantages of a binder would be that a DM/player can add content how they see fit, whether it's printed from a pdf, made by their own hand in a txt editor, or 'professionally' printed material (specially made for a binder). Also the ability to remove sections that aren't used is very usefull, essentially this would be one (rule) book to rule them all ;-)

This system would also be cheaper for the people buying/using it, a binder is readibly available all over the world, so only the printed content pages need to be sold to the consumer. No expenses for cover art, no expenses for binding or cover printing. Small packages of 8-16 pages would still be profitable (even in full color).

I've been looking around and there are very luxurious binders available finished in leather or even of satin finished aluminium, these would be very expensive, but you can always start with a $5 plastic binder.

When going for a binder format i would go for something that can handle both Letter format paper and A4 format paper, that still leaves whether to go with portrait or landscape. Portrait would be the most common, but also the most boring. Landscape could be very interesting if handled properly, but it seems that some people absolutely don't like landscape books (so why's that Psion?).

So what should i do? Choose one or the other (if so which one?)? Or support both? Chosing one or the other would mean that probably some people wouldn't want content in that format. Supporting both would mean more work and that would mean less content.
 

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What poll.

Why Psion hates landscape PDFs: Because, if you have a scroll wheel on your mouse, you lose more than you gain. It makes them harder to read because you either have to make the text too small or use column widths that aren't a natural read. Some folks think it's what you "should do" for screen products, but I find them problematic. My former title was an attempt to highlight that.

What does that have to do with the format you are suggesting?
 

Portrait, landscape, either way is fine as long as information is there. Direction is far less important in the end.
 

Psion said:
What poll.
points up at the poll, this thread has a poll

Why Psion hates landscape PDFs: Because, if you have a scroll wheel on your mouse, you lose more than you gain. It makes them harder to read because you either have to make the text too small or use column widths that aren't a natural read. Some folks think it's what you "should do" for screen products, but I find them problematic. My former title was an attempt to highlight that.
Does your hatred also extend to books in landscape format? How far does your hatred of landscape (pdfs) reach, would you don't use something because it was presented in landscape format? Or is it just one factor in the consideration process of whether or not using something?

What does that have to do with the format you are suggesting?
Your old title indicated to me that doing a product in landscape format isn't liked by everyone (as opposed to what some pdf publishers are saying). My idea isn't pdf only, but would be available in pdf as well.
 

Cergorach said:
The advantages of a binder would be that a DM/player can add content how they see fit, whether it's printed from a pdf, made by their own hand in a txt editor, or 'professionally' printed material (specially made for a binder). Also the ability to remove sections that aren't used is very usefull, essentially this would be one (rule) book to rule them all ;-)

This system would also be cheaper for the people buying/using it, a binder is readibly available all over the world, so only the printed content pages need to be sold to the consumer. No expenses for cover art, no expenses for binding or cover printing. Small packages of 8-16 pages would still be profitable (even in full color).

I've been looking around and there are very luxurious binders available finished in leather or even of satin finished aluminium, these would be very expensive, but you can always start with a $5 plastic binder.

When going for a binder format i would go for something that can handle both Letter format paper and A4 format paper, that still leaves whether to go with portrait or landscape. Portrait would be the most common, but also the most boring. Landscape could be very interesting if handled properly, but it seems that some people absolutely don't like landscape books (so why's that Psion?).

So what should i do? Choose one or the other (if so which one?)? Or support both? Chosing one or the other would mean that probably some people wouldn't want content in that format. Supporting both would mean more work and that would mean less content.
Landscape books don't fit on book shelves very well as compared to portrait style books.
 


I love landscape printed books (if bound on the short side). Especially hardcovers.

As for a binder, however, it would mean having it 'bound' at the top / bottom instead of the side, which is more akward (trust me, I'm the guy who printed a book in exactly that format - Three Arrows for the King - and most people weren't too fond of the style).
 

HellHound said:
I love landscape printed books (if bound on the short side). Especially hardcovers.

As for a binder, however, it would mean having it 'bound' at the top / bottom instead of the side, which is more akward (trust me, I'm the guy who printed a book in exactly that format - Three Arrows for the King - and most people weren't too fond of the style).
There are landscape binders available that bind on the short side (that's what i had in mind)...

Bottom or top binding would be... akward to say the least.
 

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