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PS4 vs XBox 1... I think Sony has won me over

Argyle King

Legend
What all restrictions do you have with PC gaming that are the same as the Xbox One business model? How are you equating Microsoft with PC gaming?

It's difficult -if not impossible in many cases- for me to lend a modern game to a friend due to needing to register many games online. It has also been a growing trend for computer games (Diablo 3 comes to mind) to cite DRM as a reason to require "always-on" connectivity. (In the case of Diablo 3, it's pretty funny considering they will now port Diablo 3 to Playstation -which doesn't need to be online to work.) A lot of newer games also require me to sign up for services (i.e. Steam) that I don't want. The whole reason I started buying consoles was for the convenience of being able to just sit down and play a game without any of the added hassle involved.
 

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sabrinathecat

Explorer
Yeah, I just heard about the X-Box 1 or X-Bone, and the insanely restrictive policies that were being put into place. No way I'd put up with that. A friend at EA was telling me about some of the information that has leaked, and some that is still rumor that hasn't been "Officially confirmed." X-box 1 has about as many stupid decisions being inflicted on it as the PS3.
And PS3 was seriously screwed over by a lot of bad decisions. (First and foremost being that they didn't make it backwards compatible with PS2 games).

I'm not a big video game fan--mostly just the lego games, but what I've been hearing has made me wonder if the committee making the decisions isn't totally divorced from reality.
 

Argyle King

Legend
I'm sure there are some advantages to being online. I have no doubt that cloud computing is a great thing. However, Microsoft hasn't hit upon that. Thus far, their PR regarding their policies has been terrible; at one point a former employee told customers they "should just deal with it" when concerns were raised about always-on. IMO, they've painted themselves in a way which portrays them as wanting to make a system which benefits them; not the customer. The only thing they've repeated advertised is that I can watch tv... which I can already do without an XBox. The games they showed looked awesome, but they haven't given me a compelling reason why I should play those games on their system.

I have no illusions about the fact that both Sony and Microsoft are huge corporations; as such, I also have no illusions about the fact that their plan is to make money. That being said, it's nice to know that some decisions are made (or at least seemingly made) with the customer base in mind. Imagine if the designers of D&D Next had gotten negative feedback from the playtest, and then Mike Mearls responded by saying "well, you guys are just going to have to deal with what we want to do because that's what we feel is best for you."

I mentioned earlier that a lot of independent publishers are leaving Microsoft as well. It's because their new policies in regards to developers have become increasingly restrictive as well. Some of (imo) the best indie developers have moved en mass to Sony. From a customer standpoint, some of the most innovative and fun games I've played have been indie games. Don't get me wrong; I love big blockbuster games with fantastic graphics and out of this world production values, but I'm also someone who highly enjoys trying something different from the status quo formula; I'm likewise someone who can enjoy a great game even if it doesn't have top of the line graphics. Microsoft -in the lead up to the XBox One- has been antagonistic toward both their customer base and some of the same small developers who had a hand in making XBox Live Arcade such a great experience.

To be fair, the 'used' part of the used game issue isn't necessarily what irks me. It's the fact that they're making it increasingly difficult for me to lend a game to a friend or borrow one. A lot of the games I own are games that I purchased after borrowing from a friend. In particular, Mass Effect was one of those games for me. It never interested me until the third game had already been released. A friend lent the second game to me, and I enjoyed the experience enough that I felt compelled to get the game for myself. As far as the used game market goes... I have no love at all for Gamestop. I've had enough problems with their company that I actively try to avoid buying anything from them.

The main issue for me is the Kinects always being aware. Microsoft needs to show me how that benefits me beyond allowing me to talk to the XBox to turn it on. Up to this point, they have not -imo- done a good job of expressing to me what the benefit is, and they -again, imo- need to do that; especially in a world where privacy is a concern.

There also isn't a solid answer concerning what happens if I miss one of the 24 hour validations. As it stands, all I know is that I'm required to sign my XBox 1 online once every 24 hours. Later this year, I'll be building a new house. During that process, there will be times when I do not have my internet connection set up. So, let's say I have an XBox One and need to disconnect it for a few days until I get everything moved into the new building and set up the wiring. Do I turn on my XB1 to discover that it no longer works? Is there some method I need to go through to make up for the fact that I missed a check in? If so, what is that method, and how complicated is it? Currently, there are no answers to that question; all that I'm being told is that -in order for the system to function- I need to check in once every 24 hours.

On that same topic, what happens if the XBox Live network gets hacked like the Playstation Network did, and it's down for a week? Does everyone who owns a XB1 now own an expensive paperweight? What exactly are the consequences for not being online?

How about members of the armed forces? During at least one of my tours, I took an XBox with me. When I had down time, I used it to play movies and games. Is this no longer possible with the XB1?

Microsoft has eased up some on the used game deal, but when it comes to requiring connectivity, the official response is only that "The Xbox One mandates users connect to the Internet once every 24 hours to authenticate games." What does that mean? The official stance is that "we need to wait and see once all of the details are available." Maybe it's just me, but E3 seems like a really good time to give out some details; especially when some of the fanbase is feeling negative about your product.
 

Argyle King

Legend
Ok.. doing some more research...


Microsoft is supposedly working on a "family" structure in which you can share some of your games with a group of people that you mark as "family." That certainly helps alleviate the concerns about lending and borrowing games.

That being said, the only information which keeps popping up when I try to do a search concerning what happens if I don't authenticate once every 24 hours seems to indicate that the XB1 stops being able to play games. That's not exactly promising. That sounds like something which cannot possibly be right, but I haven't found any information yet which seems to say otherwise.
 

darjr

I crit!
If I've read correctly the PS3 is THE console for netflix, hulu and youtube. I think Microsoft is fighting last consoles war with the new xbox. I think they must have assumed they had the games locked up, and so now want to go after the viewing aspect.
 

That being said, the only information which keeps popping up when I try to do a search concerning what happens if I don't authenticate once every 24 hours seems to indicate that the XB1 stops being able to play games. That's not exactly promising. That sounds like something which cannot possibly be right, but I haven't found any information yet which seems to say otherwise.

I remember reading something from one of the MS guys that is the case - if the XB1 cannot phone home every day, all the games will not work.
 

Janx

Hero
If I've read correctly the PS3 is THE console for netflix, hulu and youtube. I think Microsoft is fighting last consoles war with the new xbox. I think they must have assumed they had the games locked up, and so now want to go after the viewing aspect.

That would be incorrect.

The PS3 Netflix app sucked donkey balls so hard it had donkey legs sticking out of its mouth.

The 360's netflix app was better (until the Kinect update made it suck in different ways).

Both consoles support Netflix, Hulu and YouTube.
 

darjr

I crit!
That would be incorrect.

The PS3 Netflix app sucked donkey balls so hard it had donkey legs sticking out of its mouth.

The 360's netflix app was better (until the Kinect update made it suck in different ways).

Both consoles support Netflix, Hulu and YouTube.

It wasn't about who was best, or IF the console supported it but which console ruled as the most used platform.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/382006/ps3-is-the-most-popular-netflix-streaming-platform/


http://www.neowin.net/news/despite-debuting-on-xbox-360-ps3-is-now-netflixs-lead-platform

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps3-top-netflix-device-worldwide-6401015

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412856,00.asp

Though that looks like it was back in December. Does Microsoft still charge for xbox Gold to use Netflix?
 

Janx

Hero
It wasn't about who was best, or IF the console supported it but which console ruled as the most used platform.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/382006/ps3-is-the-most-popular-netflix-streaming-platform/


http://www.neowin.net/news/despite-debuting-on-xbox-360-ps3-is-now-netflixs-lead-platform

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps3-top-netflix-device-worldwide-6401015

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412856,00.asp

Though that looks like it was back in December. Does Microsoft still charge for xbox Gold to use Netflix?

Of course MS still requires Gold and of course they still charge.

It is surprising that PS3 is leading on actual hits to Netflix. pretty much everybody with either console uses netflix on their console nowadays.
 

Super Pony

Studded Muffin
The real money for Microsoft and Sony is in the subscription model. The consoles are a drop in the bucket compared to the potential cashflow of monthly/yearly XBox Live and PS Plus subscriptions. Sony is trying to provide a model that will entice people to sign up. Microsoft is bootstrapping their subscription numbers and bypassing consumer choice entirely. At this point, even if Sony's end product performs under Microsoft, I'm going to go with them because they at least trust me to decide whether or not I want their product. The irony is that Microsoft will probably crush it financially even if they are behind on console sales...and Sony may fall behind or off the map entirely by doing things in a better way.

I want to decide when to buy a new video game system, not because the company that made my system decided to drop support for my "outdated" console so that I have to upgrade to the latest model. Planned Obsolescence is b.s. So I will go with Sony if/when I'm in the market again. And until then, whenever that may be, my current Sony gear still works as intended.
 

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