So, about those Man of Steel reviews...


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Super Pony

Studded Muffin
Oooh, that's not so good.
Chin up. At 67% it's bound to let you down AND be awesome in enough places that you'll leave the theater without feeling like Count Rogan drained 3hours of your life away ;-)

In addition, the rotten reviews on Rotten Tomatoes trend toward "not original," "too much plot," and "the budget was huge and could have cured cancer" or some such. Superman is a tough sell to a jaded 70's and 80's nostalgia generation. We've all "grown up," recycled the man of steel several times, moved on to more modern anti-heroes and Superman is still Superman. Fans of Kalel remember him fondly, but there's really no way that seeing a Superman movie can magically transform you into the 8-year old you once were. At a certain point, one has to give the man of steel a bit of wiggle room in the "originality" department since his antics predated and informed a good portion of the rest of the genre. The "too much plot" angle is not a negative for me, as long as it actually is a plot and isn't being confused with lots and lots of dialogue followed by explosions and credits. The huge budget? Well, yeah...it's a Hollywood summer movie so it's supposed to go blam and boom and leave you feeling slightly bad about yourself for liking it...as you queue up to see it again :)

For my part, I'm excited to be able to go see it with my dad this weekend (Father's Day here in the states). We don't get a chance to see each other much these days and are not only scheduled to be in the same state, but the same town. He took me to the drive-in theater to see the original Superman when I was a pup, so I'm stoked. That, and I'm going to take a vacation from my more 'cultured' tastes...and attempt enjoy the simplicity of seeing a dude shoot lasers out of his eyes and hopefully lift some really heavy stuff and punch holes in things that I can't personally punch holes in. All the while chosing to do the sticky-icky goody two shoes thing as a limit on his power.

The positive reviews say that Cavill nails the role. The villain is Zod. The effects look impressive in the trailers. Let's do this thing!
 

Walking Dad

First Post
Well, I didn't like the "it has to be dark a and realistic and should not remind of a comic" trend in the Batman trilogy. I think the Marvel approach with just relying more on suspension of disbelief works better for me. Let's see if this movie is too realistic for a comic hero, too.
 

Graybeard

Explorer
I am not looking forward to this movie. I am a big fan of the first 2 Christopher Reeve films. This Superman looks too dark. I also hate the new costume. All the trailers show lots of action but very little story and that worries me.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I am not looking forward to this movie. I am a big fan of the first 2 Christopher Reeve films.

While you obviously get to look forward to anything you like or not, I'm a big fan of those two movies and am looking forward to this. Not all movies have to be the same as movies I enjoyed - otherwise I'd just like one movie: the first one I ever enjoyed. Different movie.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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I just find... nothing I've heard about it excites me.

I mean, sure, it is an action movie. Big whoop. Those are a dime a dozen. There's nothing special about that. Other than "new" and "big budget", what is this offering me that other movies don't give me?

I react to it much like I reacted to the new reboot of Spider Man. I love Spider Man - probably my favorite superhero. But the new reboot just hasn't caught my imagination.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
See, Superman is my favourite superhero, and Spiderman my least. The unstoppable adult moral force attracts me more than the bouncy wisecracking child. That's a personal thing, of course.

And I've been waiting for 30 years to see Superman punch a bad guy through a skyscraper. He has *never* been show in film to be the badass he is.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
See, Superman is my favourite superhero, and Spiderman my least. The unstoppable adult moral force attracts me more than the bouncy wisecracking child. That's a personal thing, of course.

Oh, certainly. To me, Superman is simply more gripping in concept than in execution. I tend to have the same reaction to most of the main-line DC heroes for the same reason: that unstoppability. Their power is generally of a level high enough to make them not just superheroes, but gods - no longer really bound by their human needs. That makes them less interesting as people, however badass they may be in a fight.

As for the "moral" aspect - "With great power comes great responsibility". Don't get much more moral than that. :)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Oh, certainly. To me, Superman is simply more gripping in concept than in execution. I tend to have the same reaction to most of the main-line DC heroes for the same reason: that unstoppability. Their power is generally of a level high enough to make them not just superheroes, but gods - no longer really bound by their human needs. That makes them less interesting as people, however badass they may be in a fight.

As for the "moral" aspect - "With great power comes great responsibility". Don't get much more moral than that. :)

Don't get me wrong. It's more the delivery. After all, most superheroes are moral. I just prefer the unstoppable morality to the bouncy wisecracking morality. :)

You find the "gods" thing less interesting. I find the ability to punch robots through skyscrapers more fun! I'm sure collateral damage would annoy me in real life, but on screen - lay waste to cities, baby!
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
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See, Superman is my favourite superhero, and Spiderman my least. The unstoppable adult moral force attracts me more than the bouncy wisecracking child. That's a personal thing, of course.

And I've been waiting for 30 years to see Superman punch a bad guy through a skyscraper. He has *never* been show in film to be the badass he is.
To be fair, there was a lot of citywide scrapping in his battle with General Zod, Ursa & Non...

Not as much as has been shown in the comics, of course.

Tangent: I'd be impressed and on board if they eventually let Henry Cavil do the Doomsday storyline- can't beat it for the "ultimate" in showing off what the character can do- and then launching into the post-death Superman storyline with some well done TV shows covering THAT storyline.

...until Cavil returns in the next movie, of course.
 

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