Conan makes a whoopsie

[Dog Moon]

I'm always surprised when people say they're surprised some kid said something silly. I mean, Bill Cosby had a show called 'Kids Say the Darndest Things' for a raeson, yanno?

No, I get that and I know my daughter says some hilarious things every once in a while... but I've never heard her say anything remotely like "Let's kill all of group 'x'". That just seems a little worse than "The Darnedest Thing" to me.

But even thow I don't think it should be showed, I don't think it's necessarily racist. Does a 1st grader really know enough to be truly racist?

And I think comparing to Kimmel to Hitler and making all those signs is a little extreme. If Kimmel himself had said it, then maybe they would be more justified, but not the kid,

 

[Dog Moon]

While you are correct that jokes about religion are not always racist, this one actually is. The joke was about Ms. Marvel being a polygamist (even though she's actually a 16 year old Jersey girl). The joke was basically saying that since she's Muslim, she must fit the funny stereotypes of those brown people from the other side of the world. That's racist, both by assuming her racial and cultural heritage based off of her religion, and by laughing at that culture.

There are actually a lot of connections between religion and race. Some religions are extremely racially diverse, while others are extremely uniform. By making assumptions about racial and religious connections, it's pretty easy to jump from racist to religionist and back again without much effort.

Being polygamist is something that is a part of the Religion, not the race. You just don't see it as much in our sections of world because, from my understanding, the cost of living here is so high that more than one wife can't be afforded. But regardless of the reason, for whatever it is, it just isn't as common here.

Islam itself allows for up to 4 wives and whatever race people belong to, they can't bypass that number and still be claiming to be completely following the RELIGION.

 

[Scrivener of Doom]

"No race" has never been one of the rules.

The rule is: no real-world religion or politics. Discussions of race often stray into politics, as do discussions of gender equality. When they do, they have to be dealt with.

I note also that we were loosening up a bit well before the OTTers came around, to allow discussions of sexism and racism within the gaming community. And still, we watch those to make sure they stay short of the politics line, and will close them or moderate folks who become too vehement in their delivery.

Considering that race is so firmly tied with politics for so many on these boards, I am surprised that you chose that nit to pick.

Anyway, if the mods want the OTTers to keep testing the boundaries then that's your collective choice. I can appreciate the desire for more traffic and more users but I suppose after being here since the very first board, I've come to appreciate the no race (yeah, I still think it's a rule), no religion, no politics and the Eric's grandmother rules. I've got lots of other places for those more heated discussions.

 

[Dog Moon]

I have to admit though that there is a little piece of me that is racist... I absolutely DESTEST...

Kender.

Most terrible race ever.

 

[Lwaxy]

Nono, that would be speciesism.

 

[The_Silversword]

I didnt think the joke was all that bad, it could also work with Mormons, anyways, I really think that if the main selling point of your comic character is their race, religion, or sexual orientation then youre doing it all wrong.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Being polygamist is something that is a part of the Religion, not the race. You just don't see it as much in our sections of world because, from my understanding, the cost of living here is so high that more than one wife can't be afforded. But regardless of the reason, for whatever it is, it just isn't as common here.

Islam itself allows for up to 4 wives and whatever race people belong to, they can't bypass that number and still be claiming to be completely following the RELIGION.

I don't really want to get into this, but I think this needs some clarification. polygyny is very, very rare among Muslims (well under 10%). It is also debated within the religion itself and some schools of thought argue it is actually not permitted by the quran (the quran explicitly mentions having up to four wives, i believe it does so once) but the argument is this was an effort to phase out polygamy by placing restrictions on it, and its intention was to eliminate the practice. Not everyone shares this view but some Muslim countries have banned the practice on those grounds. Still it is defended as being supported by the quran by others. There are other religious arguments against polygyny based onfthe quran and hadith as well. Its a religion of the book like christianity and judaism, so like those faiths, it is often more complicated than finding one passage that supports an idea, they do comparative analysis with other suras on love, marriage, children, etc, even if those don't exlkicitly mention how many wives you can have. I still think conan's joke was religious and not racial, but this is a pretty involved topic.

 

[Zombie_Babies]

More on the kids topic... In today's computer media world, whatever is posted with a kid or by a kid sticks around. This applies to potentially embarrassing videos like Halloween candy pranks too. Parents and other adults really need to take more responsibility for the stuff that goes up with kids that may come back to haunt them, rightfully or not. How many of the Halloween candy kids will, as teens, feel mortified they bawled or otherwise list their and now can't get those videos out of bully hands? Kids may say the darnedest things, but the adults are supposed to be the ones showing good judgment.

Every kid everywhere has done something embarrassing and been made fun of about it. My mother showed nekkid baby pictures of me to my girlfriends long before there was a Facebook.

Meh, if this kid eats any crap when he's older for this we're livin' in one messed up ass world.

 

[Zombie_Babies]

all in good jest, rest assured.

I think O'Brian is awesome (though I may have just misspelled his lat name). It's just that whenever I see "Conan" absent anything else, I think death-dealing Cimmerian. Right after, I think Conan The Librarian.

The gangly comedian is a distant third, followed by unlikely pet names.

Well, like I said, I like it. That's fun to me - fo' realski, though I suspect you had a suspicion.

I'm not terribly impressed with Conan the Non-Barbarian and I absolutely detest Team Coco or whatever. He's quirky and that means pretty niche as far as his humor goes. I'm not in that niche for the most part though I did chuckle at the joke ... which is not something I imagine he'd say on his show.

Conan the Barbarian, though? Pwns. Always has, always will.

 

[Zombie_Babies]

No, I get that and I know my daughter says some hilarious things every once in a while... but I've never heard her say anything remotely like "Let's kill all of group 'x'". That just seems a little worse than "The Darnedest Thing" to me.

But even thow I don't think it should be showed, I don't think it's necessarily racist. Does a 1st grader really know enough to be truly racist?

And I think comparing to Kimmel to Hitler and making all those signs is a little extreme. If Kimmel himself had said it, then maybe they would be more justified, but not the kid,

Does a first grader really know what 'kill all the Chinese' means? It was just a stunt performed by a child - a demographic known for risk taking and attention seeking. I doubt seriously that the child actually thought his suggested solution was a workable one. We have to stop judging him as though he did. Context: It's important. Humor: Not everything someone says is something the mean 100% - especially if it's said for the sake of humor.

And if Kimmel said it marching with posters depicting him as Hitler would most certainly not be ok ... unless he actually meant it. See, Hitler didn't joke (important word) about genocide, he actually tried it. That's what some may consider an important difference.