Banned for life

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Oh pedantry, how I love thee. Turns of phrase are just that.

Hold on a second - is Captain Pedant complaining about my pendantry?

 

[Kramodlog]

Private conversations do not indicate public behavior/

Except they were made public.

And I never argued that it did. Straman says he's sad you're beating him up like this.

Strawman like it!

Umm ... no. Comics can't do their act in Canadia.

Thank god!

Nobody. Hate speech isn't the issue here. You wanted to know why I say that the fact that his remarks were made in a private setting makes a difference, well, this is it. What he said to one person was not hate speech. It was racist, wrong and disgusting but it wasn't meant to incite anything nor was it made to sway anyone's opinion about anything. People should be able to say anything they want to in a private setting. We don't need thought police.

The police wasn't involve, like you pointed out to Umbran, maybe the US Constitution doesn't garanty freedom.

 

[sabrinathecat]

awww... he can't go to games anymore... oh boo hoo hoo.
You want to punish the guy in a meaningful way? TAKE AWAY HIS TEAM.
"Yep, you were such an (donkey) that we are revoking your franchise entirely. Your franchise will be sold, the profits will go to the current team members and staff, and you are out, permanently and forever. In the event that there are no buyers, the players will be free agents within the league, and the team disbanded permanently--the team name will be retired in disgrace. YOU will be responsible for all loss of revenue to the city, and fulfilling all contracts and recriminations for the losses as if you had broken those contracts (which you effectively have)."
THAT would make a statement.

 

[Kramodlog]

Why shouldn't he get the profits if the teamhis sold?

 

[Umbran]

awww... he can't go to games anymore... oh boo hoo hoo.

It is a bit more than that. While he still owns it, he can't interact with it, even on a business level. He doesn't get a say, for example, in who plays on the team, or on other staffing decisions, or on business decisions. He becomes like a silent partner, and all decisions go to the other managers of the team.

You want to punish the guy in a meaningful way? TAKE AWAY HIS TEAM.

That's beyond the direct powers of the Commissioner. He did say he was going to try to get the board to force a sale of the team. As much as you say it might make a statement, legally, they can't take the profits from that sale, or make him responsible for losses to the city.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I believe he allowed it to impact his real estate business but I've seen literally nothing showing that his NBA business was impacted even a little.

There is no evidence that, up to this point, he had actively kept minorities from attending games as paying customers in the standard seats or buying merch, no.

However, his words to his GF imply he may have exerted more control over their access to the luxury suites. Doing that for his own personal suites is legal. If he prevented minorities from buying luxury suites or charged them higher rates for the privilige (not yet even alleged, just a hypothetical), though, that's discriminatory. And it probably wouldn't have had a negative impact on the Clippers' bottom line- scarce luxury items tend to sell, even if you discriminate against potential buyers.

And barring even that, once the words came out, the reaction of the advertisers withdrawing sponsorship and the players threatening a league-wide walkout during the playoffs? THAT is definitely an economic impact the other owners and commissioner could not ignore.

 

[Janx]

Anyhoo, he said something and did nothing. To me, there's a vast difference between thought and deed - and thank god I'm not totally alone in that. If they were one and the same - like ya'all wanna see it here - then most of us would be on death row for thinking about strangling that b-hole at work who microwaved that fish for 10 minutes.

But he did do something. He directed this woman to not bring Magic Johnson specifically because he did not want a black man to be seen with a white woman or because he did not want to give greater public exposure to a black man (likely a combination) because who ever sits in the seats he paid for, gets camera exposure/PR.

Further, these weren't his private thoughts that only a telepath can hear. These were his spoken orders to somebody, which no doubt he intended to keep private. However, the difference between your private thoughts and your private communications is whether somebody exposes you or not.

this is is why you NEVER write down your murder-the-whole-school ideas in the Journal they make you keep in English classs. it's why you never email your boss what you think of the client, because that email WILL get forwarded to somebody who objects.

the key thing that keeps society behaved is blow-back for our private actions when they are eventually revealed. It takes a large correction to make an example of this rich racist to show other people what happens when they misbehave.

It's certainly more in proportion for response-to-wrongness than the brutal beating a white guy got when his car hit a black kid who illegally jaywalked.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

awww... he can't go to games anymore... oh boo hoo hoo.
You want to punish the guy in a meaningful way? TAKE AWAY HIS TEAM.

As I understand it they just about did. It's not just that he can't go to games, he can't even participate in making any decisions about the team. He can collect profits from it. That's all. It seems that the only reason they didn't do more to him is because the league constitution doesn't allow anything beyond that - unless he's not actually paying his bills regarding the team, and that's just not relevant to the issue at the moment. And yet there's not a company around at this point who's going to want to associate themselves with him. The guy's now poisonous. And if he insists on retaining ownership he won't have a single corporate sponsor or partner who'll touch him - and the players would all just walk out anyway which would then possibly enable the league to force the sale (can't say for sure as the league constitution is not public).

But that's likely enough to ban him for life. People don't generally own major sports franchises because they want or need the profits. They own the teams because they're a bigtime status symbol. But for him, now, it's an albatross. While it theoritically might be a profitable business the real point in owning it is gone forever. Even if he still wanted the team, the team office, the NBA, the players, the fans, the freakin' US president all want him gone. He doesn't strike me as the type to fight that tidal wave of ill will. He'll sell.

 

[sabrinathecat]

As I understand it they just about did. It's not just that he can't go to games, he can't even participate in making any decisions about the team. He can collect profits from it. That's all. It seems that the only reason they didn't do more to him is because the league constitution doesn't allow anything beyond that - unless he's not actually paying his bills regarding the team, and that's just not relevant to the issue at the moment. And yet there's not a company around at this point who's going to want to associate themselves with him. The guy's now poisonous. And if he insists on retaining ownership he won't have a single corporate sponsor or partner who'll touch him - and the players would all just walk out anyway which would then possibly enable the league to force the sale (can't say for sure as the league constitution is not public).

But that's likely enough to ban him for life. People don't generally own major sports franchises because they want or need the profits. They own the teams because they're a bigtime status symbol. But for him, now, it's an albatross. While it theoritically might be a profitable business the real point in owning it is gone forever. Even if he still wanted the team, the team office, the NBA, the players, the fans, the freakin' US president all want him gone. He doesn't strike me as the type to fight that tidal wave of ill will. He'll sell.

Good.
Thank you for that clarification.

 

[Zombie_Babies]

But he did do something. He directed this woman to not bring Magic Johnson specifically because he did not want a black man to be seen with a white woman or because he did not want to give greater public exposure to a black man (likely a combination) because who ever sits in the seats he paid for, gets camera exposure/PR.

Further, these weren't his private thoughts that only a telepath can hear. These were his spoken orders to somebody, which no doubt he intended to keep private. However, the difference between your private thoughts and your private communications is whether somebody exposes you or not.

this is is why you NEVER write down your murder-the-whole-school ideas in the Journal they make you keep in English classs. it's why you never email your boss what you think of the client, because that email WILL get forwarded to somebody who objects.

the key thing that keeps society behaved is blow-back for our private actions when they are eventually revealed. It takes a large correction to make an example of this rich racist to show other people what happens when they misbehave.

It's certainly more in proportion for response-to-wrongness than the brutal beating a white guy got when his car hit a black kid who illegally jaywalked.

I've said all I can really say but there's a few things here I want to clear up:

First, the woman in question is a minority, not white.

Second, he never ordered her to do anything, he requested.

Third, the seats in question were his. He paid for them so he certainly can decide who he wants to sit in them.

Fourth, he never prevented any of her guests from attending a game.