D&D 5E Rant About Patience

[Ragmon]

The only thing I have to say is:

So what? We know some people will be impatient and that they will be the more vocal bunch. Just ignore it, you trying to tech them patience wont help, this is a normal process.

While the OGL part might be a bit different concern, due to it involving other companies who would like to publish their materials.

So, in closing, just accept the nature of forums.

 

[pming]

Hiya.

On a personal note, as an ePublisher with plans to go on creating stuff for games (and while I have used Basic 5E and run the Starter Set to ensure I had an understanding of what was on offer), I can only spend so much time and money on a system for which I cannot create stuff utilizing the OGL.

At some point, though, I won't be waiting and will just have moved on. I'd imagine that will be true for more than a few people.

You do realize, of course, that you don't actually need the OGL to make stuff that is compatible with 5e, right? You realize that you can even put "Compatible with 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons(r)" right on the cover, right? You don't need WotC permission. Period.

Now, if you mean use things that are specific to WotC (re: "Mordendainens...", the "Free City of Greyhawk", etc.), then I guess the OGL is kind of nice as it lets you use those...right? But if you are going to make your own "Ranger Archtpes" book, adventures not specifically set in one of their worlds, etc., you don't need the OGL.

Just saying...

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Jester David]

I had a big argument over this on Twitter the other day over WotC not getting all the books out at once and making us wait. And how some people would have rather all the books were released at once rather than have a book they cannot use.

The catch is, WotC gave us a choice.
If you cannot wait and want to risk running an adventure now, you can choose to buy the books.
If you can wait, you can hold off on playing until all the Core rulebooks have been released and the effect is the same as if WotC held off releasing all three books in November.

We have options and can decide what's best for us.

 

[Mark CMG]

You do realize, of course, that you don't actually need the OGL to make stuff that is compatible with 5e, right? You realize that you can even put "Compatible with 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons(r)" right on the cover, right? You don't need WotC permission. Period.

Now, if you mean use things that are specific to WotC (re: "Mordendainens...", the "Free City of Greyhawk", etc.), then I guess the OGL is kind of nice as it lets you use those...right? But if you are going to make your own "Ranger Archtpes" book, adventures not specifically set in one of their worlds, etc., you don't need the OGL.

Naw, you're cherry picking IP that wouldn't be allowed under the OGL in any event. The sort of things you cannot likely use without challenging IP that make compatibility problematic are things like "short rest," "Advantage/Disadvantage" and the like. Anyone could put out system-neutral stuff and tack on a "Usable with the world's most populace roleplaying spiel" but that doesn't really make you as compatible as the safe harbor of the OGL would provide. But I think you do actually realize that, of course, right? Just clearing it up for anyone not seeing what you did there . . .

 

[mips42]

Not getting products out fast enough for the customers is a legitimate complaint. Companies have failed because of this. I'm purposely not playing 5e because I don't feel there is enough out to really run the game. When they finally do I won't just jump to their game. When the current campaign is done we will evaluate things and go from there. It could cause them to lose customers. People don't always have the time to wait on their schedule to start gaming.

Haters are a different thing and frankly just need to be ignored. They are just pointless noise.

I have to disagree with your opinion of not having enough to play. There are pre-made characters available and a way to make custom characters, even if you don't have the full PHB. There are 40+ monsters and some NPCs to pit against those characters. There are two published adventures. If this was not enough to play, people would not be playing, they would be sitting around waiting for that missing thing required to play.
Possibly you meant that it wasn't enough to create your own adventures. I disagree with this as well. If it wasn't enough, I could not have created my own adventure.
Possibly you meant that it wasn't enough for you to run the game you want to run the way you want to run it. To this, I would say whatever it is you think you need, create it. Maybe it it won't be exactly the way WOTC would do it, but it will be good enough until it is designed by WOTC.
I do not mean by this that your opinion is wrong, only that I disagree.

Play on!

 

[Mistwell]

Not getting products out fast enough for the customers is a legitimate complaint. Companies have failed because of this. I'm purposely not playing 5e because I don't feel there is enough out to really run the game. When they finally do I won't just jump to their game. When the current campaign is done we will evaluate things and go from there. It could cause them to lose customers. People don't always have the time to wait on their schedule to start gaming.

Haters are a different thing and frankly just need to be ignored. They are just pointless noise.

I don't have a great memory, but I do think I remember you posting about your campaign at roughly this same point in 3.0. Were you not talking about your new campaign 14 years ago, for 3.0, using just the 3.0 PHB?

And I know for sure you played an good long time using just Monte Cook d20 material (Arcana Unearthed at the time, or perhaps the Books of Eldritch Might?) that had less total content than we have for 5e right now.

I have to disagree with your opinion of not having enough to play.

I agree. We've been playing D&D Next/5e for 15 months now in our campaign. We converted to the Basic rules when they came out, and then the PHB rules when they came out. We have the Starter Set material, two adventures, the Basic set monsters, the PHB monsters, and some really good conversion guides for something like 15 other D&D Next adventures (or conversion guides of conversion guides for modules from 1e and 2e that had been converted to Next). We have TONS of stuff to play this game right now - what the heck are you lacking to play this game as an experienced DM?

I think I could play with just what is out right now for 5 years.

 

[Mistwell]

Hiya.



You do realize, of course, that you don't actually need the OGL to make stuff that is compatible with 5e, right? You realize that you can even put "Compatible with 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons(r)" right on the cover, right? You don't need WotC permission. Period.

This is terrible legal advice. Do not follow this person's legal advice. Ask an attorney. Please.

 

[Crothian]

I have to disagree with your opinion of not having enough to play. There are pre-made characters available and a way to make custom characters, even if you don't have the full PHB. There are 40+ monsters and some NPCs to pit against those characters. There are two published adventures. If this was not enough to play, people would not be playing, they would be sitting around waiting for that missing thing required to play.

Or I could be playing a full game that I don't have to wait on. I don't want to play a partial game. I don't want to use premade characters or just use the small selection of monsters.

For all the stupid gamer fallacies that the internet has created there needs to be one for people saying "well, you can just make it up yourself." That''s one of the most useless statements. If I wanted to make it up I would't be impatient for 5e because I wouldn't need it or any other game. I buy games because I don't have the time to create it all myself. I buy games because unlike some gamers I admit the professionals usually do it better then I do. I buy games because the creativity and ideas other writers come up with are different then what I could.

 

[Crothian]

I don't have a great memory, but I do think I remember you posting about your campaign at roughly this same point in 3.0. Were you not talking about your new campaign 14 years ago, for 3.0, using just the 3.0 PHB?

It was 14 years ago. Things change. I ran a half marathon 14 years ago. I'm not going to do that now either. 14 years ago Dragon had this awesome new mini setting for the new 3e game that my group just loved. They wanted to jump right into 3e as fast as we could. At the time we were done with 2e and no other games on the market were interesting to us. Gaming options were much different at the end of the 20th century then it is today.

And I know for sure you played an good long time using just Monte Cook d20 material (Arcana Unearthed at the time, or perhaps the Books of Eldritch Might?) that had less total content than we have for 5e right now.

It was Arcana Unearthed. Basically the players all made characters using only it and I ran a 3.5 D&D game for them. It was perfectly compatible and worked very well. 5e is a new game with new assumptions. Before I jump into it I want the DMG and read more about the changes and options. I'm not impatient about the release schedule. Now that we are into our campaign I would change to a different system even if Mearls showed up at my doorstep tomorrow with all the books I would need. I'm saying that if I had everything when we had the PHB then things might be different.

 

[BryonD]

I think as far as the current release schedule, we have different sensibilities as to what is slow and what isn't. Not a problem.

So you are ranting because it goes against your sensibilities when someone rants about something that goes against their sensibilities?

OK