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I haven't characterized anyone anywhere, actually. I'm talking about the movement itself. I have no idea what any individual associated in any way with the movement might think unless they come out and say so.
Nice try, though. The strawman was always a favorite tool of the polezniye duraki. And if you're trying to dismiss my whole post because you're making up some kind of strawman conspiracy element to it, you might want to not also point out that you don't even know what my argument is because you don't know what "most of the stuff in my post" even is. That certainly doesn't lend itself to strengthening your credibility.
Please enlighten me. Sketch out for me exactly how "my" argument leads to this logical conclusion. Please be sure and use actual logic when you do so. I've always preferred dialectic.
Of course on topics of this nature, I tend to always get sophistry instead. But since you have deduced some logical conclusion to my argument to which I'm unaware, which is supposedly unrelated to the strawman caricature of my argument that you tilted at in the first paragraph, I'm very curious to see the logic. I make no claim at being a master of following all logical threads to their logical conclusions.
In the examples I noted above:
- Mike Resnick and Barry Malzburg refer to a lady of their mutual acquaintance by using the shockingly demeaning language of calling her "a lady." For this they are pilloried and called sexists.
- It leaks out (by a cuckolded ex boyfriend) that Zoe Quinn had been sleeping around with gaming journalists for favors. In fact, it later become abundantly and undeniably evident that there is widespread corruption between developers and journalists related to sex for favors, so that gamers can no longer trust anything that the gaming journalists say. Many in gaming journalism don't even bother denying it, they just seem to be surprised when poor, dumb gamers actually object to their obvious collusion and corruption. When gamers point this out, they are called sexists. (See this link for a nice completely evidence based summary of the whole affair. Be warned; the youtube user who posted that uses a fair bit of salty language.)
- Umbran tells me that I need "new senses" because I can't see my own rampant sexism inherent in preferring that female characters of a humanoid variety come with obviously sex-specific visual cues as to their sex.
- And of course the following:
She doesn't have to be sexy and strut. She wanted to! She gloated about it! It was the very act of simulating pole dancing that was applauded as an expression of feminism! You've got that totally wrong; it wasn't necessary. She was already successful beyond most singers' wildest dreams. She did it because she wanted to.
Frankly, feminism doesn't need any help from me in being trivialized. It's managed to become a laughing stock all on its own without any of my input.
And that's a perfectly valid take on the idea. I prefer that HUMANOID characters have HUMANOID characteristics. Apparently that makes me a sexist.
Also, to be pedantic, dragons are, of course, not reptilian. There are no six-limbed reptiles, for one thing.
Read the actual article in question. Go to the primary source, not just "a lot of people sides." They weren't insensitive and the only blame to go around was to the shrieking harpies who decided to pillory two relatively upstanding professional authors, who also happened to be sympathetic to feminists! Read what Reznick's daughter has to say about the affair. That was as clear a case of made-up, fake outrage as you could possibly find. It's so absurd that if it didn't actually happen and if I didn't actually see it, I wouldn't have believed that it could be true. It's a parody of feminism as fake-outrage for fake offenses. It's a caricature of it. And yet... it also actually happened.
Most likely. But again; read Helen Smith's Men on Strike and Christina Sommers The War on Boys before you make the attempt rather than assume that just because you've been fed a line for a long time in an incubated bubble that therefore it must be true.
Holy crap, that was some EPIC LEVEL strawmanning there. I think I'll cut and paste that from my email notification just so I can refer to it repeatedly when needed when demonstrating how not to ever attempt any discussion.
Also; a heads-up; "feminism" and "female" are not equivalent. When you assume that feminism-your interpretation of feminism at that--speaks for all women, you are insulting, demeaning, and bullying them all at the same time. And you call me insulting and a misogynist, as you try to dismiss me out of hand without even (apparently) understanding a word of what I typed because it had key words in it that you didn't like?
Like I said; if we can't have a discussion about feminism in gaming while keeping sophistry out of it, and maintaining a dialectic level discussion, we're all wasting our time.
I have literally no idea what you're even talking about here.
There may well be various opinions to have on #gamergate, but the facts of the situation are not really a question of opinion. See the link above.
) we need a cleavage on our fronts...
I don't understand. You are right your type something I do not get. What is the point of saying anything about feminism then back tracking that it isn't about feminism?
