It sounds like his order is: Casino Royale, Skyfall, Spectre, and Quantum of Solace.
My order is: Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Spectre.
[SPOILERS] James Bond and SPECTRE - A Short Review
It sounds like his order is: Casino Royale, Skyfall, Spectre, and Quantum of Solace.
My order is: Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Spectre.
nerfherder
Explorer
Spot on.
delericho
Legend
My order is: Casino Royale, Skyfall, SPECTRE, Quantum of Solace.
But, really, it felt like SPECTRE had the same problem as QoS - there was a good story in there somewhere, but it was half-baked. They really needed to do quite a lot more work to make it good.
However, unlike QoS, SPECTRE doesn't have the excuse of the writer's strike for why they hadn't done that work. And which QoS is blessedly short, SPECTRE was pretty numbing.
But, really, it felt like SPECTRE had the same problem as QoS - there was a good story in there somewhere, but it was half-baked. They really needed to do quite a lot more work to make it good.
However, unlike QoS, SPECTRE doesn't have the excuse of the writer's strike for why they hadn't done that work. And which QoS is blessedly short, SPECTRE was pretty numbing.
The craig series of Bond films seem more serial than I recall previous incarnations. I didn't perceive the new ones a reboot, barring the remake of Casino Royale.
But bringing the Spectre bad guy in as Blofeld kinda cemented it as "yup, we're doing all this stuff over again like alternate reality"
Right at the big meeting with the big reveal, Bond should have recognized the guy and said more on the topic. Instead, we're left to the end wondering "who's this guy that is clearly supposed to be a big deal?" for most of the film.
It might have been better if we all recognized him as a known person from the 3 prior films as some character we keep seeing.
But bringing the Spectre bad guy in as Blofeld kinda cemented it as "yup, we're doing all this stuff over again like alternate reality"
Right at the big meeting with the big reveal, Bond should have recognized the guy and said more on the topic. Instead, we're left to the end wondering "who's this guy that is clearly supposed to be a big deal?" for most of the film.
It might have been better if we all recognized him as a known person from the 3 prior films as some character we keep seeing.
delericho
Legend
And yet with the strangeness that they keep referencing the old films, most notably in the form of the car.
Dog Moon
Adventurer
So out of curiosity, are the references a point that adds to the movie or detracts from it? I know I've seen every Bond movie that has come out since GoldenEye plus a couple of the previous ones, but honestly, I don't remember them well at all. [I couldn't give you a favorite Daniel Craig bond movies because I don't remember any of them well enough to have an opinion of them].
So I am planning on seeing Spectre, but without noticing any of the references, would that make the movie better or worse do you guys think?
delericho
Legend
It's a tricky one. On the one hand, when I saw the car in Skyfall, my initial thought was "cool". But it leaves me with a question that is really bugging me: is this a reboot or not? And if it's a reboot, how come he has the exact same car from Goldfinger?
(They should probably 'fix' that one by formalising the "James Bond is just a code-name" fan theory when the bring in the next actor - have DC hand over the baton, and all will be well. It's not as if that would actually hurt anything at all, and it would be a nice little nod.)
Having said all that, my big issue with SPECTRE wasn't to do with the car, or the oddities of the quasi-reboot, or anything like that. So without those I'm pretty sure you'd still end up with a film that I thought was great for about 75% of its length and then sucked mightily for the last 25%.
I don't think so. All the craig movies have been skimpy on the gadgets, often by way of Q yanking his chain about all the cool gadgets we see in the lab and them Bond gets issued a normal watch or a pistol.
In the scene with the old car, it's obviously an old car, and one can deduce it must be from an old bond movie.
And I'm with you on not remembering all the old ones. I had recently seen the old Bond with Blofeld. Something about a fort knox heist and women flying airplanes...
They detracted from the film, for me. Since the DB5 showed up and gave us that nostalgic jab in Skyfall, I really didn't need to go down that road again in Spectre. That, with the plot being about cyber warfare, was too much of the same-old, same-old. Maybe if they'd skipped a few movies. Casino Royale had the coming out of the sea scene that was a tip of the hat to the famous shot in Dr. No, but, at least, they changed it so it's Bond coming out and not another girl to mimic Ursala Andress.
The second Trek film, Into Darkness, fell flat on me, too. It's kinda like, "OK, guys, now it's time to think up something new."
Another tip of the hat I didn't mention in the OP: The train fight scene, tipping the hat to From Russia With Love and Live And Let Die.
I bet next film we get a Ski Chase. Haven't seen that yet in a Craig film. I think he's coming back for one more, and he's got to do the Ski thing. That's very "Bondian", and Craig's never done that.
trappedslider
Legend
That's Goldfinger and not Blofeld
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