[Rant] The Hobbit Movies are an Abomination

[delericho]

Ya, give me a critic that has made a movie. Sorry but people whine and complain because they can't do it themselves, bunch of backseat drivers moaners and want-to-bees if you ask me.

I don't need to be able to make something in order to tell the difference between a good version and a bad one.

The movies would not have made as much if they sucked

Ah. You've never heard of 'marketing', then?

criticize as much as you want, money talks and it says these are good movies.

Yep, and Budweiser is a great beer, Dan Brown is a literary genius, and "Furious 7" is twice as good as the original "Star Wars".

When you decide the series is bad, why go to the next release?

Because hope springs eternal.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

I really wish we could've seen del Toro's take on it. There are glimpses of it in the designs, I think.

While I won’t say no to more dwarves and dragons on the big screen, the series definitely felt like it could’ve done with being just two films or so.

This. Or alternatively, I'd have been interested to see Guillermo del Toro's version of The Hobbit.

 

[delericho]

While I won’t say no to more dwarves and dragons on the big screen, the series definitely felt like it could’ve done with being just two films or so.

I've never seen a case where splitting one novel into more than one movie has worked well. Usually, you get a crappy first half and a good second (Harry Potter 7, Hunger Games 3 - though don't know about part two yet).

And that's probably a structural weakness: a good novel will have a clear beginning, middle, and end, and a good film will also have a clear beginning, middle and end. Splitting a novel therefore means you're trying to force a clear B/M/E structure into B/M/E/B/M/E, which is problematic at best.

TL;DR version: should have been one movie.

 

[Hand of Evil]

I don't need to be able to make something in order to tell the difference between a good version and a bad one.

Ah. You've never heard of 'marketing', then?

Yep, and Budweiser is a great beer, Dan Brown is a literary genius, and "Furious 7" is twice as good as the original "Star Wars".

Because hope springs eternal.

1) yes and don't buy into it.
2) Star Wars: A New Hope is number 2 on adjusted movie list vs number 158 for Furious 7
3) Hold on to that dream of a good D&D movie.

 

[Ryujin]

1) yes and don't buy into it.
2) Star Wars: A New Hope is number 2 on adjusted movie list vs number 158 for Furious 7
3) Hold on to that dream of a good D&D movie.

How many wine tasters have their own wine? How many art critics paint? Education and comprehension of a medium do not necessarily translate into skill within that same medium. You know what movies you like. You don't need a producer, director, nor actor to tell you whether you like it or not.

 

[delericho]

1) yes and don't buy into it.

You might want to reconsider that.

 

[trappedslider]

Geeks/Nerds are the hardest market segment to please....

 

[Jhaelen]

The movies would not have made as much if they sucked, criticize as much as you want, money talks and it says these are good movies. You may not like them but there are a lot of people who seem to.

Err, what? Since when are ticket sale the criterion for a good movie - except for the movie companies, obviously.

This reminds me that I've seen a listing of 2015's top 20 of the most popular tv shows in Germany. It was abominable. There were two shows in the ranks 15-20 that I'd consider 'watchable', the rest was utter crap.

And don't get me started about music charts... I consider it an unfortunate fact that the majority has absolutely no clue what's good and what isn't - and most also don't care.

 

[Dioltach]

I realise that some purists hate the movies for not being identical to the books, but I like them. They tell the same story, but updated for a new medium and a new audience 75 years later. The Extended Editions are much more balanced than the cinema releases, and much more enjoyable. The EE of The Battle of the Five Armies is out now, and I'm inviting some friends round for a Hobbit marathon.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Err, what? Since when are ticket sale the criterion for a good movie - except for the movie companies, obviously.

This reminds me that I've seen a listing of 2015's top 20 of the most popular tv shows in Germany. It was abominable. There were two shows in the ranks 15-20 that I'd consider 'watchable', the rest was utter crap.

And don't get me started about music charts... I consider it an unfortunate fact that the majority has absolutely no clue what's good and what isn't - and most also don't care.

It is not about money but seats; money is about the only thing kept track of a common denominator, what appeals to the largest block of people (insert political joke here) and fills the seats. People are herd animals, this is where marketing comes into play, it is people trying to tell you the grass is greener, another word for it is propaganda, a lot of people buy into that.