D&D 4E 4E WotC Tools dead?

Scrivener of Doom

Adventurer
Ahhh, thanks everyone for reminding me why I let my subscription end in October.

And a bigger thanks to those who pointed me in the direction of the offline replacements.... :)
 

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Demorgus

Explorer
So I needed to update my CC information for my subscription and wasn't able to. I contacted WOTC via Twitter and then called support and get this, they couldn't update my cc info over the phone and have no way to upgrade it online. My subscription was supposed to renew on 12/25, but I'm in limbo now. I've got a 2 1/2 year old 4th Edition campaign that likely will end if I can't get my subscription renewed.
 

So I needed to update my CC information for my subscription and wasn't able to. I contacted WOTC via Twitter and then called support and get this, they couldn't update my cc info over the phone and have no way to upgrade it online. My subscription was supposed to renew on 12/25, but I'm in limbo now. I've got a 2 1/2 year old 4th Edition campaign that likely will end if I can't get my subscription renewed.

Yeah, that sucks, death by business process rot. Not too surprising really. I always figured 2 years would be about the limit before they got tired of the whole thing. Of course they could just set up a server and open her up and make it all free. It would cost them SOMETHING, but you'd think the goodwill would have some value too...
 

Demorgus

Explorer
The real sad thing is, I'd continue to pay for the service until this campaign ended. My group actually enjoys the 4th Edition rules and when I mention to them the prospect of 5th Edition, I get some push back.
 

The real sad thing is, I'd continue to pay for the service until this campaign ended. My group actually enjoys the 4th Edition rules and when I mention to them the prospect of 5th Edition, I get some push back.

Right, I guess the alternative is to get hold of the good old CBLoader, or Hero Labs, or something else that can do 4e PCs (I think there are a couple of programs that handle them to some degree, not sure how well). Masterplan IIRC has monster editing, etc. So you can kinda reproduce a LOT of what the DDI tools do, not for free, and not as nicely, but its at least possible.
 


Didn't cbloader and hero labs pull from the online ddi database?

CBLoader loads XML files that were originally provided by WOTC. You could get the data to incorporate newer things from the Compendium, but you can also just write your own XML files. There were tons of them floating around too. People have done a LOT of mods. Remember, offline CB only worked with 2009 vintage stuff. It didn't dynamically connect to DDI either, it was just sent updates periodically that gave you the newer stuff.

So, if you have CBLoader, and data, you can do without online CB, though people may question the legality of it. Given that WotC told us in the EULA that we could keep using offline CB even if we quit DDI I don't see where anyone that got it legitimately has any reason to feel guilty about still using it, nor about updating its data files with data they can already access from the Compendium (or could when they were last a DDI member, which is the same thing nowadays). Nor is there some reason to believe that adding data to your own CB yourself is unacceptable, AFAICT.

Obviously that only covers a subset of people. I don't actually know much about Hero Lab, other posters can enlighten you on that, but I think there's at least one other tool out there that doesn't rely on DDI, but on community input of material into its database. I could be wrong though. I know there's at least one poster however that did say something about not needing DDI anymore because he had these other tools.

Anyway, I think it sucks that DDI is fading into the twilight, but it doesn't make 4e unplayable. It makes it supported electronically to the same degree as 3e or 5e. It WAS a selling-point of the edition, so its too bad, but we can live with it.
 

RedSiegfried

First Post
Didn't cbloader and hero labs pull from the online ddi database?
Yes, at least the last time I used Hero Lab for 4e, it did require pulling the data from DDI, so you needed an active subscription, at least for the initial setup. I haven't used it for a while so I don't know how or if that might have changed.
 

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